I didn’t say I am deciding for my son. I simply asked which change ups are effective for 10 year olds. Since this is a pitching forum, the thought occurred to me that perhaps some of you who have had or coached 10 year old pitchers and might know. Not so that I can pick one and force it on my son, but so that I may present one or two or three change ups to my son and teach him how to throw it (or them) correctly. As a former pitcher, I know the value of receiving proper help and instruction early, especially from a father.
Your suggestion that a 10 year old is going to “learn what works for him and what doesn’t without your help, or anyone else’s”, is absurd. Just MHO.[/quote]
Now I’m confused. How is you picking two or three to present not deciding for him. Unless your kid is a lot different than most, my guess is, just to keep you off his back, he’ll be trying things he hears about from other kids, sees in videos, or even reads in places like this, but he’ll never let you see him try those things.
And what’s really sad is, if he does find something he thinks works better than what you “present” to him, he’ll either abandon it or do it surreptitiously, then feel guilty about because he doesn’t want to hurt your feelings.
You’ve already decided that 3 of the most popular grips are no good, so what’s left? Like Zita’s already pointed out, its all in the grip and the arm action, but you having been a pitcher should have known that, so what the heck is left that anyone can help you with? To tell the truth, I saw a dad who’s much too invested in his son’s budding career, and needs to back off, but I tried to do it at least a little more gently.
How about this advice. The boy’s age and how hard he throws has little or nothing to do with what grip will work best for him. It has a lot more to do with his “style” and how big his hand is. And, the velocity of a CU has little to do with how effective it is either. What’s more important is its velocity relative to the pitch its trying to be the opposite of, usually a 4 seam FB. And that doesn’t mean a 10MPH is good and an 8MPH difference is bad. Its relative! That means the percentage of difference measured in time, not the gross quantity measured in velocity.
I’ve always advised everyone just starting a kid down the CU road to start with the 3 fingered change. Not because it’s the “best” grip, but because it’s the only NATURAL CU grip there is, and its one that every kid has used at one time or another. Once the boy learns to command that grip, all other grips can be made from it by simply moving the fingers and thumb.
But it seems obvious that the one thing in the equation that’s necessary for success, isn’t in your paradigm, and that’s patience. It seems as though you expect him to be the equal of Trevor Hoffman by next spring so he can get all those older boys out by throwing that devastating change. Sorry, can’t help you with that. But I honestly wish your boy the best of luck. It looks like he’s gonna need it.
I’m sorry if you found anything I said insulting. I was trying to be honest, not insulting.