I think some here are jumping to conclusions without knowing more of the situation? Tell me more about the curveballs you are concerned about? 75 pitches in a day for 12 year olds is about right assuming 16 appearances in a calendar year. The ASMI wants 1200 or fewer “live” pitches from the mound, and our metrics they have provided us for that age as a guide say 73/outing off full rest, for your average kid. 15 curveballs equates to 20% of the pitches thrown, so not an incredible number either. Tell me, are his coaches teaching him to finish in pronation? If so, and he is doing it correctly, then that seems very reasonable, and actually conservative from most youth coaches. What is your concern there? If thrown with a finish in pronation, the curveball has no ill effects compared to a fastball.
Also, tell me more abou the catching situation. The arm is not what I’m concerned with for a catcher because the throw to 2b is no different than a throw from 3b to 1b. Was your son physically drained in the legs? Would it have been more beneficial to just have him sit out completely after P for his 5 days? Just curious there as to what you wanted to see or would be expecting. To me as a coach, I’d be more concerned if he was catching the day after pitching in 95 degrees and his body was worn down from the day before[/quote]
On the curveball issue, I am in no way saying that throwing a curveball caused his elbow to hurt. I just feel that at 12 years old if he can’t get by on his changeup then he shouldn’t be pitching. We spend no time on the curveball when we practice - my son and I. He gets no time in team practice to work on a curveball. He like most 12 year olds cannot and will not master the curve so I have him focus on changeups, 4 seams and 2 seams and he gets by fine with that alone.
On the 75 pitches in one day, he threw about 60 the day before. Keep in mind on this team we have 5 + catchers and every kid pitches. I was a little concerned about that but what concerned me more was 45 pitches in one inning.
When it comes to catching I am not concerned about throwing down to 2nd at all. I caught throughout my time playing and I have always taught my kid that catchers go balls out every time. He blocks hard, he chases hard, he covers hard and he throws back hard. It’s hard to change that mentality and tell him “well in this case just don’t go so hard”. Again, this team has 5 catchers. But the main concern here was he told the coach his shoulder was sore and they caught him for one more inning after knowing he was sore.
As for the first instance of catch, pitch and catch in the same day there is not one person anywhere that could justify that for an 11 year old kid. This is in the Midwest in the end of June, 85 - 90 degrees, 90% humidity, etc.[/quote]
That’s what I was asking for, more context. To each their own in terms of what you’d like to see your son throw. I agree completely that not enough kids master the changeup, and it should be worked on at a much higher rate for youth. I don’t believe you’re correct that a 12-year old can’t master a curveball however, as I’ve coached more than 1 who has thrown it safely, and accurately with real spin and bite. I do believe that changeups are a more important pitch to work on in practice, but I certainly wouldn’t hold it against a coach if he called 15 curveballs in 75 pitches. That’s a safe regimen…
In terms of catching/pitching/catching in a summer day, I think we all can agree that is an incredible workload on a body, and one most coaches would avoid. Was that the first time that has ever happened or has it happened with other kids as well on this team?
Given that is how you have taught your kid, I’m sure he plays that hard from every position. As long as his legs and body aren’t showing fatigue, I think he is okay catching the day after pitching. Describe the soreness in the arm, or what he said to the coach? Was it the back of the shoulder or front? Tightness or what? That makes a big difference in terms of “what” is causing the soreness, and sometimes its lactic acid that can be worked off by playing catch. Did the soreness linger for the next few days throwing after?