The great Yordano Ventura


#1

I was surprised to see how little this man is being talked about has he completely shatters some of the methods thought required for high velocities (3x or triple extension/leg drive). This man should a huge inspiration has he started in the 80s when he was signed, gained 20 pounds of muscle and worked his tail off to be where he is (especially at under the 6 ft mark)

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#2

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#4

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#5

An example of excellent pelvic loading.


#6

I agree, he does a lot of things not only correctly but super fast. The speed of his mechanics(tempo) are second to none.

I wish xv84 or laflippin could help break down his mechanics as they are the ones I’ve seen give alternate theories to pitching mechanics and would seriously enjoy their input


#7

This is what I mean…and I particularly like this move. Watch the way he moves his hips forward very quietly but aggressively, and keeps his pelvic load, showing his cleats/side of foot to the catcher.

This video explains it pretty well:

See also…Tanaka:

And around 19 seconds, you can see Chapman in a similar position


#8

It is very aggressive, he going forward as soon as the stride leg is off the dirt. It shows a great example of not only early momentum but how to get great separation.

He also:
Breaks hands late
Holds ball back as long as possible (which may or may not influence scap load)
Has great front side mechanics, which you’ve done a good job of explaining

He does all this exceptionally fast and well timed
And I think he is very important in teaching youth to not focus so much on leg drive but too

  1. Increase tempo
  2. Load hips properly
  3. Bring arm along for the ride and increase the whip factor.

#9

tiger22 said:

Well a few of us took notice…:wink:

http://www.letstalkpitching.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=18156&highlight=ventura

As I recall a discussion about the value of symmetrical loading and handbrak was ongoing in another thread…thus the example of Ventura illustrating this with great efficiency.

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Of course there is much more worth noting and I’m pleased to see some others are interested.

tiger22 said:

[quote]has he completely shatters some of the methods thought required for high velocities (3x or triple extension/leg drive)
[/quote]

Crouching tigers need to beware of hidden “linear” drag’ins… :becareful: as they will sabotage rotation.

No you won’t see Ventura triple extending his back leg straight to rotate his hips or any such nonsense. Nor will you see an obsessive stride length in an attempt to get his release point as close to home plate as possible… another rotational killer. Drag lines…another Tom House favorite…of no length or consequence with Ventura.

What you will see is rotation into a relatively soft landing along with many of the rotational qualities demonstrated by high level throwers, identified by Paul Nyman years ago as “pelvic loading”, “leading with the sole”, “step over” and “rotation around the front hip joint”.

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For the record Ventura led all starters in velocity this past year… averaging 96.9

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=sta&lg=all&qual=y&type=4&season=2014&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

Nice clips mcloven :applause:


#10

Mcloven,
Not a fan of "hook’ems or techniques which actively force the stride leg to extend straight out and sweep wide…such as bucket drill.

I prefer the cue of “knee to knee” or “knee over knee” out of the stretch, using the legs like nut crackers. Ouch I know :lol: …but hey, whatever it takes to create that knock knee pinching action.

Ventura is very efficient out of the stretch in this regard, getting a max load within the least amount of time and effort. None of the wide 3B sweeping like you see with Bauer.

Need I add that pitchers using this technique we be under 1.3 sec to home making it tough to steal also.


#11

[quote=“Hired Guns”]tiger22 said:

No you won’t see Ventura triple extending his back leg straight to rotate his hips or any such nonsense. Nor will you see an obsessive stride length in an attempt to get his release point as close to home plate as possible… another rotational killer. Drag lines…another Tom House favorite…of no length or consequence with Ventura.

What you will see is rotation into a relatively soft landing along with many of the rotational qualities demonstrated by high level throwers, identified by Paul Nyman years ago as “pelvic loading”, “leading with the sole”, “step over” and “rotation around the front hip joint”.

I believe this would be Nymans best example of rotational throwing, yet I can’t seem to get Paul to utter a peep as if tried contacted him in many different forms and nothing. I would love to see him break down venturas mechanics as well

I really can’t explain enough how much of blessing this can be for kids under 6’0 ft tall. And how they can put down the Oly bar and not worry so damn much about what I call the “Lincecum Effect”


#12

HiredGuns–I do agree with you. The more I look at it, the more I think that’s correct re the hook 'em drill/sweep. I like the cues you mention better.

Hanshin–Yep… I would imagine Nyman would love what Ventura is doing.


#13

… of Pelvic Loading… 8)


#14

Did you just reply to my thread? Holy $#|+.

Sorry for my French, just not used to it and a very welcome surprise, I might add

What do you think about Ventura?


#15

Others have said already i.e. Ventura embodies most of the principles that I observed and emphasized regarding how to optimally throw the baseball.

As an aside there is virtually no difference between hitting and pitching with respect to use of the body. The stride is totally overrated and for most players is a detriment both hitters and pitchers.

Pushing off the rubber for pitcher and pushing off the back foot for hitter usually create a linear throw/swing. The reason why pushing off the rubber/back foot has some merit is not because of what you gain mechanically by doing this but rather it is simply a mechanism to speed up the throw/swing. But again for most players it ends up causing them to push the arm/bat and kills the actual throw/swing quickness.


#16

Appreciated (if you could also pm me back)

He also picks up the ball well from glove break. But hopefully he doesn’t get into too much arm trouble because is rather not see O’leary discredit him


#17

Like anyone would give credence there anymore :lol:

Guys do what they have to do to chase their dream…including adopting what others might term injurious techniques…bottom line…~300 pitchers on earth in the major leagues…getting there means you won…naysayers and the snake oil community will try to get you to believe they have the safe and uninjuious means to “get you there”…they don’t…and those that make it aren’t doing it out of some book of how to, they are doing it on desire and dedication, they don’t get sidelined by distractions…really the ultimate game of chicken…can you…despite all that goes on in this crazy world focus in like a lazer on your goal…?


#18

You bring up a great point, jd. That’s why I can’t express enough the importance of him and his mechanics.

It shows youth a host of things both mechanically and inspirational:

  1. He came from the Dominican Republic
  2. He started of in the 80’s
  3. He gained 20 lbs of muscle to get to 160lbs
  4. He does what he has to In order to play at the highest level.

Only in baseball do people like O’leary and Mike Marshall exist.
If you put this into football and tell a running back not to run so fast and avoid all contact then that running back would not be an elite nfl caliber running back.
If you tell an nba player not jumpshoot or not to make cuts in the lane to get to the goal to avoid knee trouble than your not a high caliber nba player

Do wha you need to to live your dreams, even it only last a minute (mark prior), because that minute ll stay with you for a lifetime.


#19

And don’t let anyone tell you Mark Prior only lasted a minute…he performed at the very highest level during his 10 year career…they made him a poster child but he was the best for a couple…how many breathing can say that? And as I’ve proven on every single forum the sensationalist repeated his bilge…Prior wasn’t hurt by mechanics, he was hurt by a collision on the base paths and a bone crushing liner off of his pitching elbow…inverted my a$$ (And even that was a misused analogy ripped off from Paul)


#20

The mark prior was a shot at the inverted w naysayers. Who will so get to the point of “let’s throw underhanded” . Beclouded from my opinion true maxline pronation curveballs work best underhanded :smiley: