Steroids

Me and my friend were wondering. Once a person takes steriods it helps them get bigger and stronger. But once they stop using it but still workout does it still keep there muscles and strenght or does it start to decrease?

Yes, because you simply can’t maintain the workloads – so it’s only natural that your strength would decrease accordingly. Remember, steroids are a recovery aid more than anything else; they presumably promote faster recovery following a workout, which means you can return sooner and perform the workout again without the soreness.

But steroids don’t help pitchers at all because pitching isn’t a brute-force activity like weightlifting, where the bigger you are, presumably the more mass you can move. Pitching is an athletic action that requires balance and precision of movement. Good luck finding that in a bottle or pill. :roll:

Any benefits disappear long before the damage does. :wink:

Bingo Bango Bongo. Just not a very smart idea.

Ya its stupid

The Cons heavily outweigh the Pros when it comes to steroids. Come on who wants to shrink that?

Nice quote, lol. I like it. Bingo Bango Bongo :lol:

It’s true steriods aren’t really a good tool for pitchers.

but the reality of steroids is that any side effect can be minimized really, Major League Baseball and the federal government have cracked down on steroid usage placing them on the same level as cocaine and heroin listing them as a level one narcotic. They have nasty terrible side effects with misuse, taking a cocktail of steroids and growth hormones is asking for trouble, but reality is the side effects stated in relation to steroids aren’t quite as big as they are played out, you can never 100% safely use roids, but there are ways to minimize the side effects and combat any negative reaction your body may have to them.

Shrinky-dink. :lol: :lol: :lol:

haha, you know a few million dollars might convince me that it’s not such a bad thing. And god knows when you have millions of dollars money gets you anything :wink:

[quote=“ltownindians07”]It’s true steriods aren’t really a good tool for pitchers.

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I dont think this a true statement. Of the 23 ML players suspended for steroid use, 11 were pitchers.

Of the 146 minor leaguers suspended for steroids, 70 were pitchers.

http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/2006/09/list-of-minor-league-suspensions-for.html

If it wasnt helping them, that many pitchers wouldnt have been using.

Steroids and muscle mass are no substitute for solid pitching and swinging mechanics.

If you look at the guys who got caught as pitchers you’ll notice the vast majority were coming back from injury so muscle mass isn’t the point.
I can think of a couple…Ishmail Valdez and Pettite come to mind, they had injuries that under most circumstances it would be curtains, this is where I believe the danger for steroid usage as a pitcher. Now in college/JUCO unreal numbers of guys juice because scouts have gotten to the point where if you aren’t huge you get looked over unless your name is Timmy L…let me tell you it is obvious. It’s also very obvious the guys who don’t and those guys get a lot of grief.

Year before last when I certified with the NPA, there was a sports medicine guy going through the cert. to learn about things like proper mechanics from the NPA’s point of view. I had lunch with him one day and the topic of steroids came up. He described a number of side effects from steroids and I have to say I had never heard of them before. I’m not questioning him. Rather I’m pointing out that the general public probably knows very little about what steroids can do. For example, did you know that steroids can decrease blood flow to the femural head in the hip causing it to deteriorate possibly leading to hip replacement surgery?

It’s tough to put a price on good health. :wink:

You would notice a decrease in strength and size after the cycle, but still you would be far bigger and stronger than when you started.

And it seems everyones been brainwashed here into thinking that steroids are one of the worst threats to our society like the tv would have you believe. In reality, a smart and balanced cycle has been shown to only have mild-moderate side effects, all of which are reversible after you cycle off. Long term, who knows? I’ll tell you, none of you do, because nobody knows, the studies haven’t been done because its such a highly regulated drug.

Now I’m not on the side of steroids, but I do know there is a lot of false information out there. One thing I am sure of though is that AAS are terrible for a teens body, it can shut down your natural testosterone production, which is a long term, non-reversible side effect… :shock:

So if any teens on here are thinking of cycling, think again. But don’t go around citing all these long term health issues associated with steroids, because they’ve never been documented.

One of the worst things about the internet is its inherent weakness in providing credentials. Legitimate sources have no problem citing their education, research and expertise but those same legitimate sources also don’t give their valuable knowledge away either. So when you get advice on the internet, it usually comes in the anonymous form. When you can verify the source as legit…then its like finding a little nugget of gold.

Internet advice is like a confidential informant. They usually come with alot of baggage so you have to confirm everything they say with your own research or independent evidence. It’s called corroborated evidence.

Steroid advice is a perfect example.

The information I’ve recieved has been disseminated via othopedic surgeons and specialists…I don’t see it as the worst threat blah blah blah.
I happen to agree with Rush Limbaugh that ignorance is the biggest threat to American society.

I can tell you this though, if you think that there is more “responsible” usage and that people are just buying the hype…you ain’t been there buddy. It is abused and used by people who have no idea…NONE of the adverse effects (Or worse know them and ignore them), this is the profile of college usage. They don’t follow syringe protocals, they go only by word of mouth as to what to use and who to get it from. You are just completely ignorant to think that it is simply “used” in an intelligent cyclical way with little to no effects.

This is from the partnership for a drug free America

[b]What are Steroids?
Anabolic steroids are a group of powerful compounds closely related to the male sex hormone testosterone. Current legitimate medical uses include treatment of certain kinds of anemia. Body builders, long-distance runners, cyclists and various other athletes who claim that steroids give them a competitive advantage and/or improve their physical appearance use these drugs illegally.

What do they look like?
Steroids come in tablets or liquid form.
How are they used?
Anabolic steroids are taken orally or injected, and athletes and other abusers take them typically in cycles of weeks or months, rather than continuously, in patterns called cycling. Cycling involves taking multiple doses of steroids over a specific period of time, stopping for a period, and starting again. In addition, users frequently combine several different types of steroids to maximize their effectiveness while minimizing negative effects, a process known as stacking.
What are their short-term effects?
Reports indicate that use of anabolic steroids produces increases in lean muscle mass, strength, and ability to train longer and harder. Many health hazards of short-term effects are reversible. The major effects of anabolic steroid use include liver tumors, jaundice, fluid retention, and high blood pressure. Additional side effects include the following: for men shrinking of the testicles, reduced sperm count, infertility, baldness, development of breasts; for women growth of facial hair, changes in or cessation of the menstrual cycle, deepened voice; for adolescents growth halted prematurely through premature skeletal maturation and accelerated puberty changes. Researchers report that users may suffer from paranoid jealousy, extreme irritability, delusions, and impaired judgment stemming from feelings of invincibility. What are their long-term effects?
Long-term, high-dose effects of steroid use are largely unknown. [/b]

Looks like long term you’re rolling the dice looking at the short term…but hey thats not brainwashing is it?

Of course here is what the DEA is trying to BRAINWASH folks with;

DESCRIPTION/OVERVIEW

Anabolic steroids are synthetically produced variants of the naturally occurring male hormone testosterone. Both males and females have testosterone produced in their bodies: males in the testes, and females in the ovaries and other tissues. The full name for this class of drugs is androgenic (promoting masculine characteristics) anabolic (tissue building) steroids (the class of drugs). Some of the common street (slang) names for anabolic steroids include arnolds, gym candy, pumpers, roids, stackers, weight trainers, and juice.(1)

Currently, there are more than 100 different types of anabolic steroids that have been developed, and each requires a prescription to be used legally in the United States.(2)

Anabolic steroids can be taken orally, injected intramuscularly, or rubbed on the skin when in the form of gels or creams.(3) These drugs are often used in patterns called cycling, which involves taking multiple doses of steroids over a specific period of time, stopping for a period, and starting again. Users also frequently combine several different types of steroids in a process known as stacking.(4) By doing this, users believe that the different steroids will interact to produce an effect on muscle size that is greater than the effects of using each drug individually.(5)

Another mode of steroid use is called “pyramiding.” With this method users slowly escalate steroid use (increasing the number of drugs used at one time and/or the dose and frequency of one or more steroids), reach a peak amount at mid-cycle and gradually taper the dose toward the end of the cycle. The escalation of steroid use can vary with different types of training. Body builders and weight lifters tend to escalate their dose to a much higher level than do long distance runners or swimmers.(6)

CONTROL STATUS

Federal law placed anabolic steroids in Schedule III of the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) as of February 27, 1991.
This means get caught and become someones girlfriend in prison…

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STREET NAMES

Arnolds, gym candy, pumpers, roids, stackers, weight trainers, gear, and juice.

SHORT-TERM EFFECTS

Anabolic steroid abuse has been associated with a wide range of adverse side effects ranging from some that are physically unattractive, such as acne and breast development in men, to others that are life threatening. Most of the effects are reversible if the abuser stops taking the drug, but some can be permanent. In addition to the physical effects, anabolic steroids can also cause increased irritability and aggression.(7)

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LONG-TERM EFFECTS

Most data on the long-term effects of anabolic steroids on humans come from case reports rather than formal epidemiological studies. From the case reports, the incidence of life-threatening effects appears to be low, but serious adverse effects may be under-recognized or under-reported. Data from animal studies seem to support this possibility. One study found that exposing male mice for one-fifth of their lifespan to steroid doses comparable to those taken by human athletes caused a high percentage of premature deaths.(8)

Steroid abuse has been associated with cardiovascular diseases (CVD), including heart attacks and strokes, even in athletes younger than 30. Steroids contribute to the development of CVD, partly by changing the levels of lipoproteins that carry cholesterol in the blood. Steroids, particularly the oral types, increase the level of low-density lipoprotein (LDL) and decrease the level of high-density lipoprotein (HDL). High LDL and low HDL levels increase the risk of atherosclerosis, a condition in which fatty substances are deposited inside arteries and disrupt blood flow. If blood is prevented from reaching the heart, the result can be a heart attack. If blood is prevented from reaching the brain, the result can be a stroke.(9)

Steroids also increase the risk that blood clots will form in blood vessels, potentially disrupting blood flow and damaging the heart muscle so that it does not pump blood effectively.(10)

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TRAFFICKING TRENDS

For purposes of illegal use there are several sources; the most common illegal source is from smuggling steroids into the United States from other countries such as Mexico and European countries. Smuggling from these areas is easier because a prescription is not required for the purchase of steroids. Less often steroids found in the illicit market are diverted from legitimate sources (e.g. thefts or inappropriate prescribing) or produced in clandestine laboratories.(11)

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USE/USER POPULATION

Results from the 2005 Monitoring the Future Study, which surveys students in eighth, tenth, and twelfth grades, show that 1.7% of eighth graders, 2.0% of tenth graders, and 2.6% of twelfth graders reported using steroids at least once in their lifetimes.(12)

Regarding the ease by which one can obtain steroids, 18.1% of eighth graders, 29.7% of tenth graders, and 39.7% of twelfth graders surveyed in 2005 reported that steroids were “fairly easy” or “very easy” to obtain. During 2005 56.8% of twelfth graders surveyed reported that using steroids was a “great risk.”(13)

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) also conducts a survey of high school students throughout the United States, the Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance System (YRBSS) 4.8% of all high school students surveyed by CDC in 2005 reported lifetime use of steroid pills/shots without a doctor’s prescription.(14)

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ARRESTS/SENTENCING

In December 2005, DEA led the largest steroid bust in history. Operation Gear Grinder was a 21-month investigation that targeted eight major steroid manufacturing companies, their owners, and their trafficking associates. To learn more about the operation, click here.

LEGISLATION

Federal law placed anabolic steroids in Schedule III of the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) as of February 27, 1991. The possession or sale of anabolic steroids without a valid prescription is illegal. Simple possession of illicitly obtained anabolic steroids carries a maximum penalty of one year in prison and a minimum $1,000 fine if this is an individual’s first drug offense. The maximum penalty for trafficking is five years in prison and a fine of $250,000 if this is the individual’s first felony drug offense. If this is the second felony drug offense, the maximum period of imprisonment and the maximum fine both double. While the above listed penalties are for federal offenses, individual states have also implemented fines and penalties for illegal use of anabolic steroids.(15)

The International Olympic Committee (IOC), National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA), and many professional sports leagues (e.g. Major League Baseball, National Basketball Association, National Football League (NFL), and National Hockey League) have banned the use of steroids by athletes, both because of their potential dangerous side effects and because they give the user an unfair advantage. The IOC, NCAA, and NFL have also banned the use of steroid precursors (e.g. androstenedione) by athletes for the same reason steroids were banned. The IOC and professional sports leagues use urine testing to detect steroid use both in and out of competition.(16)

The Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004 - placed 32 additional steroids in Schedule III and expanded DEA’s regulatory and enforcement authority regarding steroids.

[color=red]So LTP who ya gonna believe???
How about we reiterate what the DEA says…
LONG-TERM EFFECTS [/color]
[b]Most data on the long-term effects of anabolic steroids on humans come from case reports rather than formal epidemiological studies. From the case reports, the incidence of life-threatening effects appears to be low, but serious adverse effects may be under-recognized or under-reported. Data from animal studies seem to support this possibility. One study found that exposing male mice for one-fifth of their lifespan to steroid doses comparable to those taken by human athletes caused a high percentage of premature deaths.(8)

Steroid abuse has been associated with cardiovascular diseases (CVD), including heart attacks and strokes, even in athletes younger than 30. Steroids contribute to the development of CVD, partly by changing the levels of lipoproteins that carry cholesterol in the blood. Steroids, particularly the oral types, increase the level of low-density lipoprotein (LDL) and decrease the level of high-density lipoprotein (HDL). High LDL and low HDL levels increase the risk of atherosclerosis, a condition in which fatty substances are deposited inside arteries and disrupt blood flow. If blood is prevented from reaching the heart, the result can be a heart attack. If blood is prevented from reaching the brain, the result can be a stroke.(9)

Steroids also increase the risk that blood clots will form in blood vessels, potentially disrupting blood flow and damaging the heart muscle so that it does not pump blood effectively.(10)[/b]

I encourage all readers and posters to actually research this subject and come to your own conclusions!

343 pages of everything you could possibly want to know about steroids, from guys who probably know what they are talking about. Don’t treat that forum like the gospel though, as Dino said you can’t really tell if any of them actually know what they are saying.

And as the previous posts say, make your own decision about anabolic steroids. I’ve made mine.

Excellent info, JD!

All of the foregoing has been really helpful and informative for those who plan to make this sport a serious part of your life and the life of those around you. Ok, enough said.

Now lets look at the other side of the coin … a side that players, parents, AD’s and others won’t necessarily think of.

At the business end of this sport -… business, there are coaches and staff that are no strangers to the use, promotion, and even the supply chain of these substances. I use the word " these" plural, because steroids are a family of products … not just a simple pill or anything close to it. And WE definitely know the skin tone, eye contact, concentration levels, attitudes, comprehension levels, mood swings, performance spikes and depressions, muscle twitches, and on… and on… and on.

Now if anyone thinks that a professional coach, staff member or assistant, is going to tear up a perfectly good contract, job security and all the other things that go along with " honey I’m home…" we’re not. I’ve been witness to guys who have gone this route and I ignore them like the plague. Why? Because there’s not baseline to judge their performance. Not only that, but there are traits that every human being displays based on age, height, weight, personal background, training history, historical statistics, and so on that are pretty darn good as projections of the future. And a future for an athlete, especially pitchers, runs at a week at a time … not months … and certainly not years. Guys that don’t drop off, or guys that run a hot streak for six or eight weeks straight with no let up in sight — I cut from the rotation and isolate, maybe just for one or two scheduled slots. I then watch them like a hawk in the bullpen … I see the slightest jumpy - jitters – mood swing, we talk.