Spinning out left after foot plant


#1

I am trying to get my son to not spin out to the left and towards home plate after he plants his lift leg. I was wondering if I should leave it be or have him plant on a 45 degree angle and maybe he will spin to 90 degrees and move towards the plate. I have a link here full speed and slow motion. Your input is appreciated.

Mike


#2

Hey Mike,

The reason why he is spinning out like that is because he is not getting hips get all the way through enabling him to finish over and around a strong front leg. Don’t change his landing foot. Work on landing on a strong front leg and getting his leg up and over hips hip. Place a bucket where he drags his drive leg up behind him and have him do drills where he has to lift the drive leg over the bucket enabling him to finish up and over the hip

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Steve


#3

That is the advice we needed. We have been practicing mechanical pitching reps everyday and now I will put the bucket there and try to get his leg to look like the photo you attached.

Thank you Steve


#4

Here’s what I see…

At release point, his posture is out of whack with his head and spine tilted to the glove side. His glove side is also out of whack with his glove well outside (to the left) of his torso.

Before these things happen, he strides towards the throwing arm side while his center of mass actually appears to move towards home plate. If accurate, this could be setting up the posture issue.

It’s difficult to tell from the camera angle but he also appears to come set with his feet too wide apart requiring a weight shift towards 2B to go into knee lift.

I can’t really make out where the rubber is but the first thing I’d do is move him to the glove end of the rubber to minimize the effect of the stride direction. I’d also have him narrow his stance in his set position. Then see what effect this has on the remaining issues.

If there are still spin-out issues, have him keep his head upright and stabilize his glove in front of his torso.


#5

Thank you Roger


#6

Just wanted to share the last pitch from today’s bullpen. Full motion and slow motion. I think it is a big improvement and he seems to be going in the right direction.


#7

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#8

Are they available now?


#9

:+1:


#10

Thing I’m noticing is the back foot. Seems like he’s dragging it away from the rubber prior to landing.


#11

I see that now that you pointed it out. He has made so much progress in just one week I will let him try to get these latest movements instilled before I point that out to him. Do you think he should stride 6 inches less to compensate? How would you approach fixing that from here?


#12

Don’t know that I’d approach as trying to shorten the stride although the end result could shorten. I believe it’s an issue of stabilizing his foot & timing. I’ll defer to more knowledge on the site for specifics. Hopefully Steve & Roger will check back in. They will be much more helpful than I on making recommendations.


#13

Thanks for the kind words Pitcher17, much appreciated. I just sent mike a much more detailed response. I will post the response once Mike takes a look at it

Steve


#14

He lands 8 inches to the wrong side (ball arm side) of the field driveline (the imaginary ground line running between Home plate and second base, thru the pitchers plate), this cuts off efficient body rotation. This added to his back bend and backside corresponding leg lift recovery throws his center of mass to the opposite side to recover. Your legs work better if they stay in their lanes.


#15

Looks noticeably better to me. I don’t see any issues with the back foot drag. I do, however, still see a small weight shift towards 2B at the start of knee lift. If I’m a base runner on 1B with a steal sign, I’m taking off as soon as I see that weight shift. Once his front foot lifts off the ground, he should only move forward.


#16

Thanks Roger I will work on that with him


#17

Some of the things I discussed with Mike was

  1. Explosive Early Momentum without compromising his delivery.
    This is what I looked for:
    A. Early weight shift (while getting gathered/loaded)
    B. Leading with the core and hips
    C. Momentum towards home plate before hand-break (not a must, but a good rule of thumb)
    D. Stable and engaged with the back leg
    E. The center of gravity and hips lead the action
    F. Back foot firmly planted on ground. Using entire back foot to drive force into the ground into the delivery.

  2. Stabilize and Launch Sequence.
    This is what I looked for:
    A. Front leg stabilizes (knee doesn’t collapse into ball release)
    B. Good front foot stability (connection with the ground)
    C. Powerful forward “catapult” action and trunk rotation
    D. Glove arm is active and strong (not flying out/pulling the pitcher open)
    E. Hips get all the way through, finishing over and around a strong front leg

I discussed with Mike my findings and provided him with infomation

Steve