Side-arm pitchers in college?


#1

is there a good amount of true side-arm pitchers in college and what would be average or good velocity for them


#2

No there is not that many ive probably seen a hundred college pitchers in the last few years and ive only seen maybe 3. ive seen anywhere from about 80 to up near 90 and everything in between. You have more of an advantage than even lefties do i think. Since there are so few of you. If you can throw strikes and have some movement and maybe one solid offspeed pitch you definitely have a shot.


#3

have any gotten drafted out of college?


#4

Well, i dont know as a fact, but all the sidearmers in the majors and minors had to have come from somewhere.

As a sidearm pitcher in high school/college theres an advantage and a disadvantage to pitching sidearm.

The advantage is, you have a huge advantage on the batters cause they just arent used to it, and if you have a solid fastball and a solid breaking pitch, you have a definite shot…
…If they give you the shot. I googled it and an article said about 90 percent of scouts will pass on sidearmers for the injury-risk unless the have spectacular stuff.


#5

i go to butler university and wright state is in our conference, they had a kid, joe smith, drafted in the 3rd round. he was completely sidearm. his stats in the minors are ridiculous right now, and he has already been promoted from rookie ball to AA. of course he throws 91-94 with a filthy slider.


#6

sidearmers are risky, theres a good chance of injury with them and not many teams are willing to take the risk, but if they can throw 90 and injury free, they usually get picked up


#7

Florida usually has 1 on their staff, I know that UNF has one, the problem is that the angle tends to let a ball finish up…which as you know is death. They almost never are used as starters (Ted Abernathy in the 60’s was the only starter I’ve ever seen). To be honest I’ve seen some increase in interest by colleges due to specialization (Mid, long, set-up and closer relief), it can give you an inning or two of edge because it takes a couple of at bats before a batter gets used to the different release point…but once folks get zeroed in they usually get rocked. I consider it a gimmick pitch (Please, if you are one, don’t take offense), guys I’ve seen go to it do so, like knuckle ballers, because their stuff can’t get them where they want to be, so they resort to this. IT DOES NOT MAKE IT BAD! Actually, you have to respect the desire to get there and the ability to learn new things to do it.


#8

i have gone whole 7 inning games w/o getting hit very good, lots of Ks, but thats high school I am sure its differnet when u get to the college level


#9

This statement implies that sidearmers have a greater chance for injuries than 3/4 or over-the-top guys? Do people agree this is true? If so, why do you think it’s true?


#10

I would think because it puts so much tork on your elbow that it is not used too, you dont get that when you throw overhand, but i have had no real problems other than just throwing too many pitches in a couple of games and getting bicipe tendenittis(sp)notice that i said said bicipe not elbow


#11

Roger, I (As just a people) don’t believe that there is a “greater risk” of injury at all, (I’ve had college level pitching coaches describe the motion as “just a different arm slot”, that being said, you would have to suppose that due to the rareity of the delivery there can’t actually be very much research out there on injury stats. Most of the guys I’ve seen use it because they don’t dominate or have the success they feel they need from the other arm slots. I have seen 2 kids that resorted to the delivery because of previous arm injury.


#12

JD,

Thanks for the reply. I ws hoping others would reply, too. But since they haven’t, I’ll submit my theory. First, I can’t argue with anything you said. But I’d add that I believe that there are so few coaches with experience dealing with sidearmers that most sidearmers are allowed to have improper mechanics because their coaches don’t know any better.


#13

Biggest problem with sidearm is that your breaking ball will not drop! Another major challenge is that you give left handers (or right handers if your lefthanded) a very very good look at the ball as it leaves your hand.

These are two major problems for side arm pitchers, and why most of them on the major league level are “specialists.”

Coaches that have rosters will load up batters with you oposite side. They will get a good look at your pitches, and will not fear your breaking ball. (This is huge!).

When the batters see’s you once a game it is usually OK, but for three go rounds you better be mighty special!

If you are a righthander you must develope a good sinking change-up (which should be farily easy).

Unless you are wanting to be a specialist, I would not drop below low 3/4’s as a starter, Ian.


#14

It was actually quite easy to get my curball to drop


#15

how if you are throwing completely sidearm?


#16

i would have the curveball grip slightly cuff my wrist and slightly bend my elbow then lock it and whala a sidearm curveball that drops!


#17

It has been a proven fact that people who tend to throw lower have a less chance for injury “hence softball pitchers” have you ever noticed that most softball teams have 1 pictcher that throws 150+ innings. That is becuase it puts less stress on the shoulder and elbow. I have read studies somewhere that shows it helpes to throw lower but then again you lose vlo.

We have 1 side armer on our team who throws 80-85 with a good slider, and our closer last yr topped out at 97 while throwing side arm and he got drafted in the 6th rnd to the white sox.

He was a bit wild though and thats why he dropped.


#18

Hmmmmm-If I understand this right, I am not sure if I were you I would continue this practice. It seems 1) To be hard on the arm if done for a long time, and 2) you might be very prone to hanging the pitch.Ian.


#19

sidearmers usually don’t throw curveballs but sliders and you can get a slider to drop and slide about a foot more sidearm. best thing to do is to get a slider pitch and something that moves like a screwball for exemple a good pedro martinez change up or somethinglike that. you have to be able to get mostly the same amount of mouvement on left and right to be a good sidearm starter.

sidearm pitching is not more or less dangerous the reason being that your arm is just at the same angle. notice that everyone throw sidearm but rather move their body to get the slot they want.

over hand curveball from barry zito

3/4 curt schilling

low 3/4 randy johnson

sidearmer dennis eckersley

submariner chad bradford

see everyone’s pitching sidearm. it’s all about your body


#20

[quote=“RTusk40”]It has been a proven fact that people who tend to throw lower have a less chance for injury “hence softball pitchers” have you ever noticed that most softball teams have 1 pictcher that throws 150+ innings. That is becuase it puts less stress on the shoulder and elbow. I have read studies somewhere that shows it helpes to throw lower but then again you lose vlo.

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comparing sidearmers to softball pitchers is totally illogical. The motion is completely different, the rotation of the sholder in its “natural plane” is what makes softball pitchers so durable and injury free. side armers emcounter tremendous stress on the elbow, though less on the shoulder but still way more than any softball pitcher. Just look at how a sidearmer brings his arm back compared to a softball pitcher-it’s totally different.