The frame below is the one I'm mostly talking about. Notice how his elbow is both above and behind his shoulders. It's not as high as Mark Prior's but it's higher than Greg Maddux's.
SO WHAT what does that prove Chris? Does EVERYODY have to throw like Greg Maddux? If they dont does that mean certain injury? "You have ABSOLUTLEY ZERO proof in regards to any of your claims and "notions" they simply does not exist. How many degrees is he countered and why is it bad? See what I mean????
His PAS elbow is still quite high in the frame below. If you look at a photo of Greg Maddux at the same point, his elbow will be a couple of inches lower. I think that is a significant difference, and could be related to the impingement. Jonathan Papelbon is having shoulder problems, I think for a similar reason.
There you go again! Just another UNEDUCATED guess, You would do yourself a HUGE favor and actually learn a little about gleno-humeral articulations as well as how they relate to scapo-thoractic movement BEFORE commmenting on all of these guys that are surely doomed. Since we are on this subject in one of your previous "gems" you posted Smoltz had shoulder troubles please exspouse further on those shoulder problems, what were they?
The frame below shows his hips rotating before his shoulders, which is why I think the comments about his being all arm are off base. However, his hip/shoulder separation isn't quite what it could be. This might be something to work on.
Great hip rotation means NOTHING IF the potential energy is NOT being transferred well, Which by the way IS part of this kids problem, however unlike you I will not attempt to draw mechanics conclusions because what is available in terms of videop/pics Is NOT EVEN CLOSE to being in decent form to draw any conclusions. Cmon Chris you have a few still pics from the side and in the dark!
The frame below shows he achieves an extraordinary amount of external rotation (180 degrees) for his age. He's throwing the ball very hard. However, his shoulder has to properly conditioned to be able to handle this load.
That is the only real and tangable thing you have said. Although it is NOT a reason to change anything over. You spout off about shoulders like you really know what you are talking about, which is NOT GOOD because you dont. You obviousely have refused to look at the stuff I offered up about shoulders. Of course I understand why, these top notch doctors that are writing these papers are obviously way behind your "notions" and their own research has no business in Chris Olearlys camp, especially if it does not coincide with your half cocked unproven guesses. The facts are shoulders are a very very tough thing to diagnose EVEN when there is a multitude of mechanisms to examine them. Somehow you can tell though. These orho. docs look at the film and do their own physical exams and still scatch their heads but somehow you armed with a LACK of education as well as a lack of all these filming techniques as well as not even knowing what you would be looking at IF you had them, which you dont. "Chris Olearys cookie cutter mechanics program", throw like clemens/maddux/garcia because they have had great careers. NEVER mind that you are an individual and your own body WILL enjoy many degrees of movement that may or may not be different than everybody else. Just try one time to read a little bit about scapothoractic rythem and movement as well as glenohumeral movements. Pay close attention to the degrees of retraction/elevation that the humeral and scap perform in unison. Pay close attention as to WHY!! Let me ask you a question. Do you honestly believe you are qaulified to make such statements? DO you think you know enough about shoulders and elbows to say what you say about them? Or are you simply comparing those who may have had less injuries? It has got to be one or the other Chris. Just for ther kick of it I may send you a clip to look at today and give your assesment on. That is if you will NOT charge me, I wouldnt give you a red cent to B.S. me about anything in regards to pitching mechanics. Its not like I am trying to con you out of advcie that may save a kids chances, you know that about me. In fact Id run the other way from your advice. This is nothing more than my test of you. You may actually change the way I think about you Chris, not that that matters!Ive got a clip of a 11 year old touching 70. Id love to hear your diagnosment as to WHY he had some shoulder problems. Ill send it to you, you are not authroized to do anything with it other than give your own personal analysis.