[quote=“pitcherman95”]well if the arm is not up and ready to throw, like if it is horizontal, not upright, your arm lays back harder, this puts stress on the elbow and shoulder.[/quote]The laying back of the arm harder is something I’ve always thought to be potentially problematic. Operative term being “thought”. No evidence. Theory. This is my point. You’d have to go back a number of years to some of my discussions with Chris about this to see that I hypothesized about this very thing, in contrast to what Chris was saying about rotation with the elbow up there. It’s all theory and we need to be very careful about that. There are a lot of impressionable young members here who may not be able to see the difference between what sounds logical and obvious but does not have a supportable basis in fact.
[quote=“pitcherman95”]…and if you just make an inverted w, not while pitching, just stand there and lift up your elbow as high as you can you can feel a pinching like feeling in your shoulder, …[/quote]I feel no pinching in my shoulder when doing this. In fact, there’s only so far that you can actually lift them laterally by changing the angle of the humerus in the glenoid. The entire arm/scapular complex rotates to make the elbow seem like it’s above the shoulder but, with respect to the humerus in the glenoid, the angle may not be what it looks like on the outside. It just might actually be perfectly aligned because of the range of motion of the scapula.
[quote=“pitcherman95”]…dont just dismiss what i say, think about it and the possiblity that i could be right.[/quote]I ALWAYS start with the possibility that a person’s comments are 100% correct. If I don’t, I haven’t heard what you said. I then determine what my response might be. Do I agree? Is it fact or hypothesis? What evidence is there? That’s what this is all about. What we all say on this, or any other board will always be challenged if there is no accompanying evidence.