That might sound like a simple common sense thing, but believe me, its neither simple nor commonly done.
[quote]I firmly beleive any pitcher at any level can learn from and by their coach calling pitches when it comes to any thing related to this including how to set batters ups.
First of all for any coach who calls pitches it is also their duty to teach amateur pitchers why they were calling the pitches they did or they will turn their young hurlers into robots. I for one have called pitches just like many others however I do not call every single pitch. Simply stated if a coach is calling every pitch then catchers and pitchers alike will never learn how to call their own game…if a high school player goes to a college where the coach does not call pitches they will struggle tremendously whether they are a pitcher or catcher. [/quote]
I too believe a lot can be learned, but to me it doesn’t have to be done through the calling of pitches in games. I will say this though. Your approach of not calling every single pitch is at least a step in the right direction.
[quote]In terms of loosing options by trying to get a batter out on an 0-2 count and not getting it done…say because of a foul ball or simply a ball my point was directly related to the approach of using a set up pitch rather then simply thinking that it should be their main goal to get the hitter out on the 0-2 pitcher.
Obviously this would be a good goal however I should have perhaps stated that it should not be the main one. For instance if an opposing coach and team are well aware of another teams coach and or battery constantly going at guys to get them out on 0-2 counts the adjustment to make would be real easy…doing so would get very predictable even during the course of simply one game…there should varying ways of looking at things… [/quote]
Really? How would you counter the strategy of pitchers not nibbling, or wasting pitches on 0-2 counts?
Out of the 10,281 HSV batters in 186 games I have records for, 687 have finished with the count 0-2 and in 3 pitches, and 149 on 0-2 in more than 3 pitches. That’s about 4.5 a game total, or a little more than 2 for each team. Of course there are some games where there’s more or less, but is it really something to develop a specific strategy about?
I suppose any goal is better than no goal, but I’m still at a bit of a loss as to why you believe throwing 1st pitch strikes, which translates into getting “ahead” of the hitter is not something that should be a goal. I honestly have never heard anyone other than yourself suggest that pitching “behind” in the count is anything other than tempting fate. I’d agree that not getting a FPS is certainly not the end of the world, but I know of absolutely no metric that suggests it’s the best alternative.
As for it being predictable, I don’t get why that’s necessarily a bad thing either. The only thing predictable is trying to get a strike, not the location or the type of pitch.
CC, I don’t mean to come off as saying what you’re proposing is wrong, but I honestly don’t believe a college pitcher throwing strikes is going to get “pounded” simply for that reason. I do believe there are folks who believe it, but I don’t know what proof there could possibly be, and if there is, I’d be more than anxious to see it so I could study it.
[quote]Lastly I mean no disrspect by any posts I make and I feel as though I can learn from anyone at any time. With that being said I have my opinions like many and my main point could have been communicated very simply as is follows;
Don’t get predictable in the way a game is called whether by the dugout, the catcher or pitcher. There are always different ways of looking at things…too many variable to pigeon hole one particular philosophy especially when it comes to how one should always appraoch 0-2 counts or any two strike counts.
Great discussion I love this stuff…you guys are awesome! Thanks![/quote]
I don’t think anyone could possibly take anything you’ve said as a sign of disrespect, and I hope the same can be said for what I say as well.
I too believe predictability in how a game, meaning pitches and locations, are called can definitely give the hitters help they otherwise wouldn’t have had. But how much they’d be able to take advantage of that help is debatable. FI, there are folks who believe that if the pitcher told the hitter exactly what he was going to try to do on the next pitch, the batter would automatically go from a .300 hitter with average power, to an .800 hitter with extraordinary power. While I believe there definitely would be some increase in the batter’s success, I see no reason to believe it would turn the average hitter into a hitter with more than twice the success of Babe. Willie, Hank, Barry, Pete, Ted, Joe, Ralph, Ty or anyone else.
It would be different if pitchers had the accuracy of the world’s best dart thrower, Annie Oakley, or Robin Hood, and hitters had the same ability, but that’s simply not the case.