Hoping for a little advice here, thanks for any help.

just setting the scene here, i’m a competitive 16 year old boy who wants to win every game every time, everywhere. the only problem is this hardheaded thinking gets in the way of common sense as i’m sure some people can relate to. this past year i was thrown on short rest, shorter rest, and shortest rest, and as the shoulder and elbow pain start to set in here in the later part of the season, i look back on what i could have done differently, and what i can hopefully do in the future. i’ll put one example out for you, after throwing 3 times in a weekend tournament a week before, my baseball team went to long island for the baseball heaven tournament they have there, i had a blast, one problem, too much throwing i think. friday night i warmed up to play first base, played first and warmed up to pitch in the 7th inning but didn’t come in, we lost, if we lost another we would go home so my coach hit the panic button the next day and i didn’t stop him. rolling out there to throw 6 innings at 2 oclock, and then 6 innings at 8 oclock that night. i ran out of gas in the 6th inning of the second game, lost everything, but we won both and advanced, my pitch count for the day was 189. the next day we played again and again i warmed up and played another game. here we are 2 weeks later, just tried to throw a real light bullpen and found a bunch of pain in my shoulder still, so i stopped and came home. any advice on how to stop coaches from overpitching kids? or advice on how to recooperate now that i’ve thrown so much. or advice on any part of this message. thanks for the help

First I’d go get that shoulder looked at by an orthopedic specialist, maybe get some stim therapy or anti inflammatory to get back to normal. Whatever the doc has to say, follow. At 16 you should be able to recover nicely.

Then I’d research the right way to do things…prehabilitative workouts, RTC’s , proper nutrition, planned down time, proper rest between starts, a pitching coach separate from your team coach who will keep you accountable for reasonable decisions.

You know what too much is now…you know what too little is. Shoot for in between and take responsibility for your own body. It is not wrong to say, “Coach the tank is empty. I’m a 2 out of 10 today.” What’s he going to say? You keep going out there on the bump and he’s going to keep using you as long as you are effective enough to get some outs. Bottom line is no one has a gun to your head…grow some spheres and tell them, “I need some rest.” Quit being Aquaman! You remember him? He’s the Super Hero that gets invited to all the cool Super Hero functions but there ain’t much happening under the sea. That’s what you’ll be if you keep abusing that arm.

hahaha:) good connection. thanks dino, just needed to hear it i guess. i know a day like that isn’t going to happen again, because it does not feel good. thank you


Dino gave you an excellent reply. I just have one question for you…

Were any of those wins in that last tournament really worth risking your arm for?

Vpitch, you have to assume noone’s going to look out for your arm except you.


Well in the heat of a tournament you always get that feeling to win at all costs. looking back now i would absolutely say no. but asking me in the fifth inning of a good game in a tournament and i’d have some thinking about it. but i do understand. thanks for the advice. both dino and roger :slight_smile:


What you are explaining and experiencing is a concept sometimes referred to as the “risk-reward curve.” In it’s fundamental definition the greater risk you assume the greater the potential reward expected. A graph would have the risk running left to right, reward bottom to top and a line bisecting the 90 degree angle (created by the risk reward lines) representing the curve. Therefore, in theory the more innings you pitch on the shortest rest should reap the highest reward in praise, adulation and positive self worth. But the risk of injury threatens the whole plan.

So successful pitchers will be in tune with their body, take proper nutritional care, exercise their RTC’s, rest at the appropriate time, peak for performance and research new beneficial protocols. All so that they can work above the risk-reward curve thereby minimizing their risk for the same or higher expected reward. Knowledge is power both in the real world of say finances, and in pitching.

Isn’t that what cheating with HGH and steroids is all about? Minimizing risk and maximizing reward? So you take the high road and you do it naturally. Steroid users in the baseball realm are like insider traders in the financial world.

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Ok now I’ll shut up… :silent:

Boy did you push a very big red button for me! I wish I had THE answer for you, but I’m afraid that’s gonna have to come from someone brighter than me. :frowning: But, I do have something I can offer, FWIW.

If you’re a pitcher or a dad, start keeping track of at least the date pitched, how many pitches thrown, and if possible, make a note of any abnormal feeling experienced in the arm that day. Also, if thee was Dr. visit for something pitching related, write down that date and what the doctor said. I recommend doing that for bullpens too.

Here’s the deal. However likely or unlikely a coach is to look at that and use it to help him judge what he asks of a pitcher, if you do have to visit a Dr, it’s a perfect history! I’d love to have that be a mandatory thing to help parents, coaches, and players become more aware of what some pitchers are experiencing for a workload, but I’m afraid there’s just too much “anti pitch count” sentiment” floating around out there to allow it to gain much of a foothold.

If you go to http://www.infosports.com/scorekeeper/images/cpitching.pdf and to pages 27, 30, 43, and 49, you’ll be able to see how I track it for the team I score for. Maybe it will give you some ideas. You might see a new phrase or acronym. PAP or Pitcher Abuse Points. If you like, I can explain it.