[quote]o ok thats all i was looking for was a just responce without having to hear the extras from nationals pitching coach over hear. i see what your talking about now
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ive been saying that the whole time
xv’s
[quote]one is held like a fastball with the index finger off
sharp
1st pic
the other is held like a two seam with the index off
loopy
2nd pic
both are back in the index-thumb web
so its fastball grips jammed back into the thumb-index web and the index finger off
more grips[/quote]
what i said
not
the ball will come off the fingers differently
with the second/two seam grip the ball comes off one seam on one finger
the first/4seam grip will come off the two seams that come in contact with the middle finger
simple
a four seam is faster a two seam breaks more
four seam curve is faster and sharper
two seam curve is slower and breaks more
lincecum keeps the same arm speed with all his pitches
so the grip has to do something