[quote=“4pie”]i thought hip rotation had to be started with the leg drop. the stay close thing is all about the shoulders.
wrong?[/quote]Yes, wrong. That would be WAY too early. The shoulders definitely should wait until landing. The shoulders should start only upon the hips reaching their maximum velocity and that should be when the stretch of the muscles and connective tissues between the hips and shoulders are stretched to the point where they engage the shoulders. Nice timing challenge, isn’t it?
[quote=“RIStar”]…you have to stay back and lead with your hip ALL THE WAY TILL YOU LAND. [/quote]Says who? I know who. Dick Mills. RIStar, if you go back to his board and read the thread entitled “When to start to twist”, which is 3 pages in, you’ll see that I asked about this one and said the following:
The response back from Dick was as follows:
[quote]It probably would be better to look at pitchers just before their lead foot hits the ground when the front foot is still in the air and then look at their body alignment at that point.[/quote] and
So, this is his intent. Stay closed as long as possible during the stride but his definition of “closed at landing” really isn’t at landing, but just before. Just like everyone else!!! He included a pic of Roger Clemens where his foot is just above the ground, almost at landing and his hips are still aligned between second and home. This is what he showed as proof of his recommendation. Now, take Roger and step to where his foot has just actually landed and you’ll see something entirely different. You’ll see the hip / shoulder separation that we all have been talking about. He just doesn’t believe you should try to teach this and he might have a point there. Different people believe different things are “non-teach”. This is one of Dick’s.
You see, this is what I’ve been saying for years about Dick. People attribute all kinds of things to him that really aren’t true. He kind of invites it though. He says things like “nothing happens until footplant” but knows it’s not completely accurate. The danger is that some people will take it literally. Actually, most people will take it literally. The second quote from him that I showed above is what he really means but he’s flunking Communications 101. People slam him for saying that but, in reality, what people should decide whether or not to disagree with him on is whether or not hip / shoulder separation and hip rotation into landing is a “non-teach”, not whether or not it happens!!!
Dick also does NOT recommend the cue “stay back”. In some, it has the tendency to cause them to drop on the back leg and not get the centre of gravity moving toward the target early enough, causing the real definition of “early rotation” he’s referring to.
So, RIStar, your “enlightenment” of us all about not rotating before landing will need some backup. Mills can’t be used for that any more. Not that anyone on most boards would be satisfied even if he did back you up.