[quote=“chinmusic”][quote=“shermanreed”]Seems odd that people are encouraged to post their two cents worth and then scorned for doing so if it doesn’t fit into someone’s belief about pitching. All I can say is “way to go Chris” for taking it so well.
CADad, may I ask you exactly what qualifies you as an expert, or for that matter, someone who needs to tell Chris that he should stop posting about what he thinks about the mechanical nature of pitching? If you disagree, why not handle it the way Roger does - with a bit more class? I do not agree or understand everything Chris gets at, but good night - it is isn’t personal.[/quote]
Whitesox, Ill jump in because I have given Chris more grief than anybody on this site. Why? Because he deserves it! Why? Because his understanding of biomechanical principles and how they REALLY apply to pitching is truncated due to his lack of real knowledge, in my opinion only. In short Im sick of hearing or reading Chris spout of on how this guy or that guy is on the road to disaster all because he says so with NOTHING more than his uneducated theories! This guy in my opinion is a “potential killer” for all that he becomes involved with. Why, Because for one he downplays so many critical elements within a solid delivery thinking his way is better when in most cases physics dictates his theores dont even get off the ground within the realm of successful pitchers! Discrediting many attributes that actually MADE and ENABLED many to pitch at the highest of levels. In other words he wants me to believe he knows better and can get better results by doing less in some cases, that AINT gonna happen in the real world my friend. By the time Chris is done ruining a kids chances, thats it. By 14 or 15 mechanics are deeply engrained into the neuro system, For most changing this is all but impossible. In other words you dont get to many chances to “get it right” for most anyhow. Couple this with teaching it wrong and where does the well intentioned kid end up? Who knows but it aint on a pitching mound getting it done thats for sure! You are obviously free to follow and believe whoever you want, I encourgae it. Just remember millions were convinced Hitler had it all figured out, did he??? I am in NO way comparing Chris to Hitler so please nobody even bother to go there. a simple analogy is all it is!I also am not implying that I have it all figured out. Although in this realm I must say I have forgotten more than Chris will ever be aware of, again my opinion only! Ill give you one example- stretching, I read so much B.S. related to stretching it is actually sad. Chris has brought up several points about why a person should NOT stretch, thats just flat out WRONG. there is some truth to what he says but he is also discounting another important aspect to the whole gyst of the studies that were done. I will not go into great detail because I simply do not want to waste anymore of my time. If your interested read some of what Gary Gray has written in regards to stretching, he is perhaps the best physical therapist in the whole country. Or Brad Walker, read what he has to say about stretching. Or my own sons ortho doc Stephen Karageanes. these people actually know it is their lives. So if you cannot believe me which makes no difference to me. I challenge you to read and educate yourself as to what the REAL pros have to say. Or check out “g.i.r.d.” and its inmplications to pitchers and how it can and has been reversed and avoided though a series of simple stretches, in some cases it has literally saved pitchers from certain doom. You see I know because I have used with success many of these principles when I train people and guess what? they are with merit!enough is enough end of discussion for me![/quote]
Well I guess I’ll put my two cents in. All the theories on whether you should stretch or not stretch are just that…theories. For every so called expert, including yourself, there are just as many other experts that will disagree with you. For instance, Mills is a proponent of the thinking that too much stretching ruins your ability to create the tension you need to get the whip action. So is Dick Mills an idiot? He happened to have a pretty solid career even though he didn’t make it in the pro’s. Seems having the highest ranked son out there in college is evidence the guy knows what the F he’s doing.
So whether you THINK you are right, and whether that’s the truth. Here’s some advice. If you don’t like what someone is saying on here diplomatically debate the issue but don’t be a condenscending bitch about it. Because you lose all and any credibiliy you have when you do it. And as for Cadad, I’d suggest the same thing. I’d be worrying more about getting your son healthy than ripping apart a guy who cares and devotes a lot of time to his own theories. After all, if you knew everything you think you do, would your kid be hurt in the first place. Get a grip and chill out.