First off, thank you Mr. Ellis for creating this excellent resource for all pitchers, its always great to be able to get advice and tips from a former pro like yourself :D 

Anyway to my topic, the gyroball is a pitch that has fascinated me for about a year now. For those who dont know, the gyroball is a pitch developed in japan, and thrown by Ace pitcher Daisuke Matsuzaka. FOr a further explanation

and for some videos
. Anyway, i was wondering if anyone could explain to me exactly how to throw this pitch? And if maybe you, Mr. Ellis, could maybe do an article on it on your website, maybe with some explanations on how to throw it, grips, background, and the physics of it? ( just a suggestion )

Thanks again,

We had a really good previous discussion on this, and Coach Kreber did some good work, I think he still has some stuff he compiled on the gyro posted on his website.

The videos you posted are great, and hadn’t been mentioned before, maybe they can take the discussion a step further.

Coach Kreber’s blog is at

He, like centerfield2150 said, spent some time this winter researching the gyro. And, as a result, was able to come up with some nice findings. He’s posted them here in our archives, which you can access with the search option at the top of this page. Or, you can simply visit his blog.

some major league team should sign this Daisuke Matsuzaka kid up if he really has this gyroball and a 98mph heater

Perhaps I’m beating a dead mule, but if this guy “was” all that and a can of whup ass (Matzuzka that is) what scout would risk his career and not sign him? Who in the same breath would risk his career buying into arm problems that already exist? If he can throw strikes at 98 who in the world cares about his 2nd pitch…? Well I do take that back, Kyle Farnsworth comes to mind…but I am really kinda skeptical as ya’ll might guess…Chris O’Leary’s comments from our previous discussion of this would seem appropriate. A variation of the lo slide piece may be what we are really looking at.

The critical thing about signing a japanese player is the fortune you must pay to even talk to him.

For an MLB team to talk to a Japanese player in order to sign him they have to pay a large sum just to negotiate. And that doesn’t even guarentee signing him.

In the case of Ichiro I believe the Mariners payed 12 million to his Japanese ball club, and then Matzuzka is expected to cost even more.

It’s been said that the arm injuries are only delaying his move to the US, so it will be interesting to see if he does get over here.

On a side not he is on the Japanese World Baseball Classic pitching staff. He’s thrown well in 4 innings I believe. If he’s scheduled to get some time and it’s on TV you can bet my VCR will be recording.

I come bearing exciting gyroball info!

“To throw a gyroball, a pitcher holds the side of the ball with a fastball grip. The pitcher’s hips and throwing shoulder must be in near-perfect sync, something the book refers to as “double-spin mechanics.” As the pitcher rotates his shoulder, he snaps his wrist and pulls down his fingers rather than flipping them over the ball, as happens with curveballs. The rotation is side over side. When the pitcher lets go, he must pronate his wrist, or turn it so the palm faces third base. It’s like a right-hander throwing a screwball, only instead of the ball last touching the middle finger, it spins off the index finger.”;_ylt=Aj6mhPKX7IIUUnhWgmHc1pwRvLYF?slug=jp-gyro031306&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

I have tried the mechanics in my room, and let me say that this hurts, i must be doing it wrong :? Can anyone try it and report back?

Edit: Also for the hell of it, in the article they mention Joey Niezer, and i searched this name in myspace, and found this

It seems like all of his info matches up, with the same high school and everything. Im not going to, but maybe someone could ask him for more info on the gyroball in his comment section?

Great article find, I have to say it was an enjoyable and informative read.

I especially like:

“The gyroball is baseball’s version of alien life. No one knows if they’ve seen it. No one knows what it looks like. No one knows much about it. Except there’s a small pocket of American fans who graze the Internet champing to see Matsuzaka, because they’re all convinced that he throws a gyroball and they’re all convinced it will revolutionize the sport.”

Pretty darn accurate to the situation.

I’m not sure on the mechanics, but I wouldn’t say it should feel effortless and smooth either. While I don’t know if it causes injury or not, I have to say the motion appears to create some stress that may not be necessesary or desired in terms of keeping arms healthy.

On another pitching forum i visit, someone has been talking to joey niezer, and he replied with this

The gyroball watch continues:

Here’s a 2005 video of the gyro from “The Juice,” author Will Carroll’s blog:

Here’s an article on Yahoo! Sports last week, “Searching for baseball’s Bigfoot”:

Hmm, I think I might be able to throw this pitch; I’m going to try out it out next time I pitch. Thanks for the link Steve!

I found this from tiger2base on the knuckleball forum, its till cold here in NY, but if someone can, can you try this out, and report back?

  1. Make an ok sign with your hand.
  2. Grip the ball with the horshoe curve making a “u”. Put your joined thumb and forefinger over the “u”. It shouuld look something like this]this
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  3. I release the ball about three quarters, but, as i said earlier, with two different wrist flips.
    1. You can flip you wrist downward whil the circle is facing toward you.
    2. You can release it like a football by flipping your wrist downward and the circle away from you. (much more deceiveing, but also much harder to learn).

Both wrist flips provide different effects. Try them out for yourself to see which one works better for you

Possible gyroball grip?