For once, I feel my long post may be worth reading through, atleast most of the way though… lol
Alright, the first video posted is more than likely not a gyroball.
His hand is on top of the ball at release, more than likely a good two-seam fastball. It is totally different movement to the other video, as well as a few others I have seen around the net.
Since we’re talking about the gyro again, I will repost my thoughts
Arm care via pitch count really hasn’t traveled across the Pacific yet, or they’re ignoring it…
A Japanese pitcher pitches his game, and then the next day is throwing a bullpen. They will throw thousands of more pitches in a season. This would possibly be the reason for arm problems.
Saw in popular mechanics they had a piece on the gyro.
Since I have a lot of respect for the magazine’s information, it’s definately worth posting:
Large, and good article on the gyro, and Mr. Matsuzaka.
I think this is possibly the most important piece of info for the gyro:
“As I describe in the attached file,” he says, “some sorts of slider or cut [fast]balls are considered as one variation of the gyroball. In that sense, many pitchers are actually pitching it.”
Also it says Jeffrey Niezer, who Will Carroll (biggest hype creater for gyro in my honest opinion, also an arm health expert) apparently taught the gyro to no longer throws it in College, and says it so resembles a slider he wasn’t really worried about it.
The attached file (from quoted paragraph) is here: http://media.popularmechanics.com/documents/gyroballvariation.pdf
Great explanation of the physics in layman’s terms.
Short piece that was published in A recent issue (maybe the current)
Overall I feel somewhat disappointed from the hype generated by the gyroball, without the substance to necessarily back it up.
I think it appears to be this amazing pitch for lack of information. Basically it caries an aurora around it because people see something that looks good, and do not understand it really.
As the bulk of info is in Japanese, and no one has sat down to translate it per say. And stuff would get lost in translation anyway further complicating matters.
Is the gyroball still an individual pitch- I think so, the velocity it is thrown at and the break, aren’t really seen from other pitches.
At 90+ miles per hour the only breaking balls like that would be a slider and cutter. The cutter has little movement period. The slider seems to have less and less movement with added velocity for most pitchers. The gyro definately has some real break at high speed if the tape I have seen is really the gyroball, or else an extremely gifted breaker that no one else replicates.