Game day?

Does this look good for before and after game?

      Before Game:

Sprints 60 yards 4x
Med Ball routine
Arm Circles
Band Work

          After game:

Sprints 60 yards 4x
PNF {Proprioceptive Neuromuscular Facilitation}
Arm Circles
Band Routine/Arm care

   When I get home:


Protein Intake {eat a lot of protein with dinner}
Massage {use the massager on body}

We probably have a differing concept of a medicine ball routine, so I was curious if you’d list exactly what that is.

That generally strikes me as a fatigue inducing thing and thus I wouldn’t do it pre game.

it would only be light twisting side to side with my feet planted. This would be just to get the back warm and ready to rotate better in the game nothing over board where im really trying to produce to much power just get the back a little warm before game.

Is that ok to do?

I think just throwing will warm up your back and core (god I loath that word).

However, if your comfortable with the medicine ball, go with it.
That doesn’t sound like it’s fatiguing, do what makes you feel comfortable and prepared to pitch!

Sounds like a reasonable workout for the bench players. The starters might not appreciate it after the game. This topic would be worth pursuing. Sometimes skipping an infield workout is good strategy if all it does is expose team weakness.

? what you mean a bench player workout? What should I do before game?

I don’t like to insult some players by calling them bench warmers.

is all that stuff ok to do before games and im not a bench warmer lol?

The pre game sprints may be a bit too much. I don’t know what a team med ball workout would involve, but it seems 99% of all coaches use a sensible and common sense pre game regimen and a post game session that is appropriate.

it’s not for the team its only for me. And the med ball is to get the back loose a little before throwing.

The problem is that we dont really know you personally, so it is hard to say if it is too much or not. For me, I would drop all pre-game resistance work and concentrate on dynamic warmups and light sprints (not 100% effort). Post game is going to depend on how vigorously you had to work in the game. If you pitched, I would say to keep it brief. Maybe a couple sprints followed by a long static stretching session. No reason to do band work on muscles that have spent an entire game working.

The massage when you get home is a good idea and so is the protein intake. Try to eat a little something post-game (within 30 minutes) that has carbs in it as well. Stephen has mentioned PB&J sandwiches, or you could throw a Clif bar in your bag and eat that.

So if it were me…
Dynamic Warmup (Jumping Jacks, Arm Circles, lunges, butt kickers, etc.)
Light Sprints
Throwing with team, etc

Light Running
Static stretching for all major muscle groups
Band Work if needed (ie. you didn’t pitch that day)
Carb Intake

At Home:
Protein Intake
Hot Shower/Bath (if you are so inclined, going from very hot to very cold is the best for recovery. It wont be very relaxing or comfortable though.)
Stretch again before bed

I’ve heard this method before as well. I was curious if you could expand on the reasoning, and or methodology of it all. Such as how long you should do it.

Thanks kc

Hot Shower/Bath (if you are so inclined, going from very hot to very cold is the best for recovery. It wont be very relaxing or comfortable though.)

I’ve heard this method before as well. I was curious if you could expand on the reasoning, and or methodology of it all. Such as how long you should do it.

Thanks kc[/quote]

When I did it, I would switch back every couple of minutes… It was the most comfortable, relaxing shower ever! :roll:

1-2 minutes hot, 1-2 minutes cold…

[quote]These days, hydrotherapy techniques – particularly alternating hot and cold water immersion – are becoming increasingly popular as an aid to recovery. But is this practice backed up by research? And what mechanisms are responsible for its effects?

The importance of recovery for any athlete cannot be over-emphasised. Unfortunately, however, although athletes and coaches are creative and energetic about their training, many ignore or forget the performance benefits they could gain by incorporating recovery strategies into their daily programmes.

Athletes must deal with many forms of fatigue: psychological (emotional and social stress); metabolic (energy stores); neural (localised force production and drive/motivation); and environmental (climate and travel). Coaches must therefore concern themselves not just with the training stimulus but with any potential additional fatigue.

Yet all too often the implementation of recovery techniques is restricted to times of illness or injury.

Surprisingly, recovery has not yet been fully defined and evaluated in an analytical way. Therefore determining ‘best practice’ per se may not be possible at present due to a lack of scientific evidence, and recovery modalities have to be assessed on the basis of limited research or – as long as there is no evidence to the contrary – anecdotal advocacy.

A variety of physical, psychological and nutritional methods are currently employed in a bid to accelerate the recovery process. Hot and cold water immersion, or contrast bathing, is one hydrotherapy technique that is currently growing in popularity.

Hydrotherapy techniques spring in the most recent past from the sports medicine and rehabilitation fields, where they are used for the treatment of acute injuries. However, such treatments have been employed for their restorative properties for several thousands of years and can be traced back to the ancient Greeks and Romans.
Cryo v hydrotherapy

If we consider the physiological effects of cooling (cryo) and heating (thermo), we can begin to appreciate why such methods have become common practice for athletes.

It is proven that cryotherapy decreases skin, subcutaneous and muscle temperature, causing narrowing of the blood vessels (vasoconstriction). This narrowing has the beneficial effects of dulling and reducing the sensation of pain, limiting the amount of swelling, reducing muscle spasm and clearing metabolites from superficial to deep tissue.

As you might expect, thermotherapy has been shown to have the opposite effect of increasing tissue temperature, thus causing vasodilation. The resulting increased blood flow has the beneficial effects of increasing oxygen and antibody supply, while also reducing muscle spasm and clearing metabolites.

In theory, therefore, contrast bathing would promote rapid alternation between vasodilation and vasoconstriction, causing a ‘pumping’ action in the peripheral circulation.

The degree to which ‘real world’ methods of hydrotherapy can promote such physiological responses is contentious. One recent study found no significant difference in intramuscular temperature following hot (40.6°C) and cold (15.6°C) immersion(1). And a subsequent study reported the same findings(2).

However, there is evidence to suggest that hydrotherapy can have a beneficial influence on subsequent athletic performance. Using nationally ranked Finnish track and field athletes, researchers demonstrated that 20 minutes of warm (36-37°C) underwater massage (using the jets in a spa) following plyometric training helped athletes to maintain leg explosiveness the following day(3). By contrast, passive rest after such training resulted in a significant reduction in leg power.

Using a similar protocol, other scientists have demonstrated that, following 15 minutes of submaximal exercise, lactic acid measures returned to resting levels faster with 30 minutes of hydromassage than with passive resting recovery(4).

Scientists from Australia have reported that athletes who use hot-cold contrast hydrotherapy after training or competition have lighter, less tight muscles together with a feeling of mental freshness(5).

Another (unpublished) study demonstrated that alternating between a warm spa (39-40°C) for three minutes and a cold shower (10-15°C) for 30- 60 seconds enabled lactate levels to recover as fast as with an active recovery protocol.

Similarly, after completing treadmill runs to exhaustion, highly active subjects recorded lower lactate concentrations following a contrast protocol than with passive recovery(6). Additionally, the subjects reported an increased perception of recovery during the contrast protocol, even by comparison with an active recovery.
Effect on sore muscles

Another research group found that the perceived soreness of eccentrically trained muscles returned to baseline levels following cold whirlpool and contrast methods, making them more effective than warm hydromassage and passive recovery(7).

As you can see from these examples, exact protocols for hydrotherapy techniques are yet to be firmly established. Injury treatment by means of contrast immersion commonly uses cold baths with temperatures ranging from 12-15°C and hot baths ranging from 37-43°C.

Scientists from the Australian Institute of Sports have now published guidelines specifically for the use of contrast water therapy after exercise(8). They suggest temperatures similar to those used in injury treatment but with differing durations for showers (1-2 min hot, 10-30s cold) and bath/spa (3-4 min hot, 30-60s cold), repeated three times.

During the recent Rugby World Cup, the England squad employed such protocols, involving a five-minute ice bath followed by five hot and cold shower exposures lasting one minute each.

Undoubtedly further research is needed to ascertain the most appropriate mode, duration and temperature for this method of recovery. However, if we accept that a recovery strategy can be deemed suitable on the basis of no scientific evidence to the contrary and/or anecdotal advocacy, then hydrotherapy, including contrast techniques, does have a role.

I am not suggesting that hydro techniques should replace active recovery, but their inclusion, even to a partial extent, could provide some additional recovery advantages. Active recovery requires energy, and hydro techniques would reduce glycogen depletion, therefore lowering metabolic fatigue. A change in routine also alleviates boredom, thereby also reducing psychological fatigue.

Of course, athletes should be urged to continue hydrating throughout hydro recovery and advised not to spend more than the prescribed time in the warm water – which most have a tendency to do. Otherwise, dehydration and neural fatigue may offset the other recovery benefits.

Coaches should also be aware that hydro techniques can be quite time-consuming, particularly with a large squad.

Athletes can be rapidly educated in the use of these recovery strategies with a view to managing for themselves. Contrast immersion can be achieved simply by using a shower and bath at home.

More innovative coaches have employed ‘wheely bins’ at their training venue, while I myself have resorted to buying paddling pools from toy shops when abroad with squads.

If nothing else, I have found contrast bathing to be an excellent team-building exercise, as athletes all go through the same ‘torture’!

Andrew Harrison

  1. Journal of Athletic Training 1994; 29(4), 318-322
  2. Journal of Athletic Training 1997; 32(3), 238-241
  3. European Journal of Applied Physiology 1995; 71, 431-438
  4. Acta Physiologica Poloncia 1983; 34(2), 257-261
  5. SportsMed News 2001; 2-3
  6. Journal of Athletic Training 1998; 33(3), 222-228
  7. Journal of Science and Medicine in Sport 2004; 7(1), 1-10
  8. Recovery Training 1996; In Training for Speed and Endurance, Allen and Unwin, Sydney[/quote]

There’s different guidelines from what I’ve read, although, I’ve never really looked into it…

You could shower 1-2 minutes hot, 30 seconds cold, and repeat this process 3 times…

Shower 1-2 minutes cold, 30 seconds hot, and repeat this process 3 times…

Find a balance a point and see which methods you like…

There’s a spa right behind my house which I plan on going to throughout the winter too see how massages/hydrotherapy massages effect my recovery…

My experience with it is limited, to be honest. I have seen a couple interviews with college strength coaches where they talk about “contrast pools” at various temperatures that they use for the athletes. They also showed it on the ESPN show “Knight School.”

Barber’s article shows some of the scientific reasoning behind it.

THe reason for doing the Tubing before game is to get the muscle’s of the shoulder warm and prevent injury.

THe reson for it after game is to build up the muscle that you tore down and to start the healing process with increase blodd flow.

They seam to keep me injury free because i haven’t gotten hurt this year like i did last year. And I don’t get a tired arm most of the time.