Dr. Frank Jobes EMG Studies?


#1

I’m hoping someone out there (Steven?) can find a copy of the study(ies) that Dr. Frank Jobes did with EMG analysis of pitchers. Dick Mills has drawn some serious conclusions about the role of muscle contraction in the acceleration phase of pitching as a result of what he says is Dr. Jobes’ findings.

Supposedly, Jobes’ EMG studies show that there is little or no muscular contractile activity during arm acceleration. Mills takes this and goes with it. Mills has his detractors, that’s for sure but, if his interpretation of this study is correct, we just might all need to take heed.

My problem with it is that Mills is saying that the study points to the “arm” and “shoulder” having little activity. How is this defined. Which muscles or muscle groups did Jobes actually monitor? Did he monitor the pecs? Anterior deltoids? Rotator cuff? Biceps? Triceps? Forearms?

We need to see this study folks. I can’t find it. If anyone can get their grubby little paws on it, I’d dearly love to see it.

Anyone?


#2

I am still searching the net, so I will keep you informed if I find it. But one reason could be the age of the study…

No offense to anyone, but I wouldn’t take science from 23 years ago and proclaim it as gospel. There are so many variables, and when you combine that with less than stellar technology, the possibility for error would be fairly high.


#3

Found some abstracts that are somewhat helpful:
First Report
http://ajs.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/11/1/3

Second Report by Jobe
http://ajs.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/12/3/218

Edit: the reason you weren’t getting results is because Mills is an idiot and he spelled the name wrong :lol: It is Dr. Frank Jobe. He invented Tommy John surgery and is widely held as one of the forefather’s of modern sports medicine.


#4

[quote=“kc86”]… I wouldn’t take science from 23 years ago and proclaim it as gospel. [/quote]What about Einstein?

Actually, I’m the idiot. :smiley: That would be my spelling.


#5

The quote I got was from Mills’ site. He misspelled it too.

I read the article that Mills featured and then I wondered around the internet reading various other sources. Basically Mills just gleened information that would justify his methods. He takes Dr. Jobe’s words and he twists them. Here is a quote directly from the good doctor’s findings:

But Mills says:

I am sorry but Mills will say anything in order to toot his own horn, even if that means lying. I would trust Marshal before I listen to Mills :?


#6

[quote=“kc86”]Here is a quote directly from the good doctor’s findings:

I am sorry but Mills will say anything in order to toot his own horn, even if that means lying. I would trust Marshal before I listen to Mills :?[/quote]
But the next sentence in that same document stated:

[quote]Muscle action at this time terminated external rotation and elbow flexion; i.e., the muscles fired as decelerators and also initiated the opposite actions for ball acceleration, internal rotation and elbow extension.[/quote]Implying that this was the function of that activity, not necessarily the active ingredient for acceleration.


#7

OK. I just read that again, for about the 20th time and finally clued in to the following:

[quote]and also initiated the opposite actions for ball acceleration, internal rotation and elbow extension.[/quote]Yesterday, I had an email ready for Mills but didn’t send it. I think I will now.


#8

Yeah, the wording of the abstract does make it hard to understand :wink:
I actually went into my universities academic search engine, but couldnt find the article. They didnt start cataloging issues of the sports medicine journal that Jobe’s report is in until 1989. If you have a library near you, they might have issues going back to 1983, or they could have a digital scan… worth a shot I guess.


#9

I dont know how much it would help but the place where Dr. Andrews who has turned into the leading arm specialist has a good video though it may take awhile to download. I watched it after I had tommy john and it shows everything you may be looking for. I’ll see i can find the link again. Its worth a look.