Yes and how observant you are? This shows you understand the information very well, I commend you!! I have never run into anyone else that put it that way by getting it right! Bravo!!!
“Overspin” on a pronated curve ball does produce a slight screwball effect and when attained absolutely buckles a batter always, I have seen this in only a few pitchers who have perfected the technique and is very desirable to develop.
Most of the time we only get 12/6 action with the highest RPM’s that can be attained with any pitch.
We do teach a screwball for our –20 pitches like the P.Curveball but it often has a lot more lateral movement because of the Hybrid leg lift does not allow for fully upright drive and full drive rotation that it takes to produce a true maxline dropping screwball but it buckles batters also.
Great question P17!
Nice work Kyle! I would suggest 3 changes in your approach, not saying what we see in the video is what you are asking of the client?
The grip needs to be 3 point equilaterally contacted by moving the thumb one inch lower and not opposite of the middle finger.
The grip he is using would be considered conventionally taught and intuitive.
Have him create a finger width gap between the crotch of the index/thumb and the ball! He is performing what we call chocking the ball that causes debilitating friction at the crotch area between the index and thumb at the upper and inner palm.
At the start of the rotational acceleration phase (basically where the video starts), his elbow is bent to much causing ball exit (ball pops up) vertical action instead of more directionally (linear) started then dropping .
He should start with his elbow at 90 degrees, that would cause lesser flyout and lateral movement of the balls sortie.
Wrist should be in the flexed position and radial flexed position in order to the powerfully Ulnar flex the forwards acceleration phase and get the hand on top of the ball that would allow complete pass thru of the elbow articulation with lesser chance of the
the olecranon process of the Ulna bone to slam into the olecranon fossa on the Epicondyle of the Humerus bone.
While these 3 improvements would produce more RPM, lesser chance of injury and intuitive flyout, I think you have produced an outstanding effort here that may be enough to get it done. Keep up the good work, guys like you will be the only ones eliminating injurious force applications going forwards.
I especially enjoy your overhead video’s, for they are the holly grail in mechanical breakdown, please bring more here!
When using scientific instruments like high speed video, shows that the knuckle curve is driven in supination, therefore very injurious to the elbow in many ways.
I have talked to Fred Corral and he also could care less about injuries by complaining about the information that he does not or refuses to understand.
I disagree completely! Not understanding the reasons why injuries occur is why they replicate on a continuing basis. Your suggestion is exactly why this scenario keeps repeating itself
Unfortunately it will be the Hyaline cartilage between the Olecranon process of the Ulna and the Olecranon Fossa of the Epicondyle that will “let it rip” by way of supination that causes this ballistic crash. These rips enlarge these bone masses and cause osteoblasts to form between the rips that grow into bone spurs that break off and become loose impediments within the elbow, not to mention the lose of range of motion and severe inflammation to have to recover from continually.
This is the typical reaction of “scienfobics”(that think they are not) who do not learn why pitching injuries are caused yet at the same time use seat belts and ask batters to use helmets to lessen the chance of injury.
You are a prevailing thinker like most who do not understand the information or in spite ask others to ignore the information that would make a huge difference in youth pitchers and throwers.
This is true of the conventional injurious ballistic force application that House and Nyman teach or allow and not true with non-injurious “state of the art” ballistic force application that Dr. Marshall teaches.
Got tired of dealing with the problem and made a change for the betterment of youth pitchers and it worked.
So when someone suggests scientific physiological information that will actually help youth pitchers avoid these injuries and still “throw the crap out of the ball”, train aggressively while taking advantage of their “God given talents” your going to continue to post messages to ignore the information because you who refuse to look at or believe the truthful scientific information has the opinion that it does not work?
Why the wolf response every time? I’ve noticed everybody that go out of their way to fight this info have had to deal with injuries in their past with themselves or their family?
Dr.Kremchek is a surgeon, not a Kinesiologist and has no information as to why these injuries occur like all Ortho’s who use these ridiculous non-scientific survey numbers like ASMI uses. The sooner they get out of the dugout the better.
All these pitches can be safely thrown at any age if pronated.
Pitch counts are only the realm of youth pitchers who are still developing girth and length in bone and proper growth at the joint ends that all supinated pitches produce evenly and much lesser when pronated.
Youth pitchers should not be held back in learning all the pitch speeds and directions if they are pronated and commanded.
I wonder if you would have pitched over the top had you not been influenced by the “junk man” and were influenced by Allie Renolds instead? Then you would be calling it natural instead.
Eddie Lopatinski’s (the junk man) career ended because of severe debilitating arm injuries, one of which one was discussed here earlier, caused by throwing supinated “junk”, Loss of range of motion. Here is a quote from his doctor thru Eddie who says “he put me thru all kinds of gyrations and said you have 30 percent mobility in the arm and you have severe tendonitis”. This is exactly what Dr.Marshall teaches us all that will listen. Eddie also suffered from shoulder injuries also and missed a lot of several seasons from this preventable mal-mechanical use. Ironic ain’t it?
I think this information is worth a listen to for youth pitchers who wish to avoid these problems.