Changeup Rotation different than Fastball

I Through a 4 seam fastball with a circle change and a curveball. I used to throw the circle change gripped across the 4 seams. I ended up switching to the edinson volquez type grip across the two seams. I have found to get more movement and better control but i was wondering if it would be a problem because of throwing a 4 seam fastball. I tried the 2 seam but it generally is just straight and slow. Thanks for the time, hope someone can help me out.

For your two seam, mine has alot of movement, and i just move my thumb (if your a RHP) up the left side of the ball. Ill get a pic up later.

in this case its not the grip its the pitch

as long as the batter see fastball and gets a change of speeds

i beleive the circle change has erased the purpose of the change

the grip is meant to take off speed
guys like pedro and volquez are throwing hard changeups with screwball movement
the batters see the break
with a change the batters should see fastball
they pretty much throw screwballs
johan santana and tom glavine have true circle changes

with you having a straight four seam
the change breaking is taking away deceptiveness
look at the success of trevor hoffman, glavine, santana and others that throw straight changes

Santana does not throw a straight change. Why would it drop straight down?

he throws a circle but it looks just like a fastball
not the screwball movemant
you cannot tell the difference until you swing

they get by with that because they have moving fastballs

Santanas change has screwball movement as well. Eventually hitters will recognize that 2 seams means change and 4 seams means fastball. Just throw a two and 4 seam fastball and it will give the hitter one more thing to think about while at the same time making your changeup THAT MUCH more effective.

I throw a two seam fastball with sinker like movement, and a two seam circle change with the same movement, but slower. So if you throw a 4sfb, would you use a 4 seam change up grip? i just can’t get movement on a 4sfb.

[quote=“kelvinp”]in this case its not the grip its the pitch

as long as the batter see fastball and gets a change of speeds

i beleive the circle change has erased the purpose of the change

the grip is meant to take off speed
guys like pedro and volquez are throwing hard changeups with screwball movement
the batters see the break
with a change the batters should see fastball
they pretty much throw screwballs
johan santana and tom glavine have true circle changes

with you having a straight four seam
the change breaking is taking away deceptiveness

look at the success of trevor hoffman, glavine, santana and others that throw straight changes[/quote]

What!? The change breaking takes away its effectiveness? Do you even play baseball? Thats the point of that pitch, to be offspeed and then run off the table so that the batters swing over top of the pitch and miss or hit a ground ball.

Obviously Volquez has shown that his changeup is one of the most effective in the game with his overwhelming strikeouts.

[quote=“kelvinp”]
with you having a straight four seam
the change breaking is taking away deceptiveness
look at the success of trevor hoffman, glavine, santana and others that throw straight changes[/quote]

What do these three pitchers have in common? They all throw from a high arm slot.

Thanks for the advice everyone. I should mention that im a late releiver so i generally only face the same batter once through out the game. right now in tournaments we hardly ever play the same team so i guess its good for now. Just in the long run. Keep coming with advice its appreciated :lol:

[quote]Posted: Aug 15, 2008 Post subject:


kelvinp wrote:
in this case its not the grip its the pitch

as long as the batter see fastball and gets a change of speeds

i beleive the circle change has erased the purpose of the change

the grip is meant to take off speed
guys like pedro and volquez are throwing hard changeups with screwball movement
the batters see the break
with a change the batters should see fastball
they pretty much throw screwballs
johan santana and tom glavine have true circle changes

with you having a straight four seam
the change breaking is taking away deceptiveness
look at the success of trevor hoffman, glavine, santana and others that throw straight changes

What!? The change breaking takes away its effectiveness? Do you even play baseball? Thats the point of that pitch, to be offspeed and then run off the table so that the batters swing over top of the pitch and miss or hit a ground ball.

Obviously Volquez has shown that his changeup is one of the most effective in the game with his overwhelming strikeouts.
[/quote]

he throws more of a screwball thrown with a change up grip
it doesnt throw the hitter off like a true circle change
cole hamels has the best circle change(when he is on)
the change up is meant to look like a fastball then slow down as it nears the plate

[quote=“kelvinp”][quote]Posted: Aug 15, 2008 Post subject:


kelvinp wrote:
in this case its not the grip its the pitch

as long as the batter see fastball and gets a change of speeds

i beleive the circle change has erased the purpose of the change

the grip is meant to take off speed
guys like pedro and volquez are throwing hard changeups with screwball movement
the batters see the break
with a change the batters should see fastball
they pretty much throw screwballs
johan santana and tom glavine have true circle changes

with you having a straight four seam
the change breaking is taking away deceptiveness
look at the success of trevor hoffman, glavine, santana and others that throw straight changes

What!? The change breaking takes away its effectiveness? Do you even play baseball? Thats the point of that pitch, to be offspeed and then run off the table so that the batters swing over top of the pitch and miss or hit a ground ball.

Obviously Volquez has shown that his changeup is one of the most effective in the game with his overwhelming strikeouts.
[/quote]

he throws more of a screwball thrown with a change up grip
it doesnt throw the hitter off like a true circle change
cole hamels has the best circle change(when he is on)
the change up is meant to look like a fastball then slow down as it nears the plate[/quote]there should be something installed in your computer that just punches you in the face every time you make a post. true circle change? get outa here what are you talking about? circle change is the grip there is no “true” circle change because everyone uses different arm slots and different arm action. cole hammels has the best when hes on? everybody has the best when there on…[quote]look at the success of trevor hoffman, glavine, santana and others that throw straight changes [/quote]ya and those guys are on alot thats why there changes are so good, not because they all throw the same change. [quote]the grip is meant to take off speed
guys like pedro and volquez are throwing hard changeups with screwball movement
the batters see the break
with a change the batters should see fastball
they pretty much throw screwballs
johan santana and tom glavine have true circle changes [/quote] about the dumbest thing ive read in a long time. the pitch isnt effective because it breaks? you know what a hanging changeup is? a changeup that DOESNT BREAK.

dumbest
tell that to the guys who throw the straight change
its not effective in a change up way
volquez throws more of a screwball like i said before

the fact that they just change speeds nothing extra
no break is needed to do that

no matter the arm slot or action
the change is meant to change speeds
throw the batter off
see fastball and get a slower pitch
in volquez’s case
you see fastball and get a 80 mph screwball

Wats ur problem with edinson volquezs change or screwball watever?

be real
it is more of a screwball
watch him pitch

The first pitch which is a fastball has the same movement as the second pitch. So you would say the first pitch is a screwball then?

two seam
it makes sense because of his low arm angle he would get nasty movement
and a change shouldnt move exactly like your fastball

[quote]he throws a circle but it looks just like a fastball
not the screwball movemant
you cannot tell the difference until you swing[/quote]

[quote]two seam
it makes sense because of his low arm angle he would get nasty movement
and a change shouldnt move exactly like your fastball[/quote]

ur confusing dude lol make up your mind

talking about two different pitchers

the first pitch was a two seam
second was his change/screwball

best explaination

see how many guys strike out looking
with a change on that count guys would strike out swinging at a fastball(then watch the ball hit the glove lol) and get change