Bill Thurston: Instructional Pitching Videos

Pitching From the Windup
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5337413828536108761&q=ndg

The Cocked or T position
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-462414173609124603&q=ndg

Leg Bracing and trunk rotation
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-927609689575581004&q=ndg

Proper Arm sSot
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929301428150864&q=ndg

Arm Deacceleration
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7563740039445791657&q=ndg

[quote=“Steven Ellis”]Pitching From the Windup
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5337413828536108761&q=ndg

The Cocked or T position
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-462414173609124603&q=ndg

Leg Bracing and trunk rotation
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-927609689575581004&q=ndg

Proper Arm sSot
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929301428150864&q=ndg

Arm Deacceleration
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7563740039445791657&q=ndg[/quote]does this guy know what he’s talking about, just wanting to know

These clips aren’t bad.

However, it’s clear from his discussion of arm slots that he doesn’t understand what happens to a pitcher’s arm when they throw the ball.

He needs to look at some high speed film.

I certainly thought the videos were worthwhile enough to recommend them to my son. And I wish there was a resource like Thurston in my area.

Someone in this forum may have something negative to say about him but put the man aside and evaluate each idea one at a time. I like his approach and his ideas.

There’s a fair amount of good things in those clips. But there are also some outdated things. Steven was instructed by Thurston and I’ve been known to tease Steven about the outdated stuff. Of course, Steven made it to the bigs. :wink:

But, probably the most blatant problem in those clips, IMHO, is the demonstration of the hips and shoulders rotating together.

These clips aren’t bad.

However, it’s clear from his discussion of arm slots that he doesn’t understand what happens to a pitcher’s arm when they throw the ball.

He needs to look at some high speed film.[/quote]

What specifically does he not get? He’s worked with numerous big league pitchers at ASMI over the years, and some of his other videos are all analyses of pitching mechanics on high-speed video, particularly those of Mark Wholers, the former Atlanta Braves closer.

What could he have done to make these more useful?

Also, please note, you’re right about some of this stuff being “dated.” I think this video is from 1993 or 1994. Hard to believe that was more than 10 years ago … Yeash!

When he talks about different arm slots, he illustrates it by bending his elbow different amounts. 0 degrees for sidearm, 45 degrees for 3/4, and 90 degrees for overhand.

The truth is that every pitcher’s elbow is (nearly) fully extended at the release point. Arm slot is determined by how much the shoulders tilt.

I believe he knows well enough what he’s talking about. He has good knowledge of the windup, the T-position, balancing the body to become strength for the arms beginning and follow through. I’ve been searching for the rest of these videos since the arm slot video was the last I was able to see. Thank you very much.

i think these clips were pretty good sure helped me with my stride and leading with the elbow :smiley:

The video about the high cocked/ cocked-t position is an absolute atrocity. The whole showing the ball to second base theory is ruining shoulders. Throwing overhand is unnatural enough. Nolan Ryan, Josh Beckett, Tim Lincecum, Roger Clemens, Joba Chamberlain, C.C. Sabbathia, Brad Penny, and the list could go on all throw cheese and NOT ONE shows the ball to second base or immediately gets his lead arm cocked. In fact they all drop the ball by their knee and allow their elbow to pick up the ball keeping their thumbs down. Then as their hips and shoulders rotate their arm begins to lay back allowing the elbow to lead the ball to the target. They all do this because this is how your shoulder was meant to work. By showing the ball to second base you create hyperabduction which places tremendous strain on the rotator cuff and decreases arm speed. So tell me why I should show the ball to second base!

those vids never worked for me but thanks for the post anyways

[quote=“Steven Ellis”]The Cocked or T position
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-462414173609124603&q=ndg[/quote]

In this video, he advocates showing the ball to 2B/CF, which will lead to elbow problems, and getting the elbow above the level of the shoulders at the cocked position, which will lead to shoulder problems.