I never mentioned Adam55, the first poster, who asked about Pony League versus Little league. I said the early posters in this thread trashed Little League for not allowing leading off. Sorry, but they did:
[b]horseman18 (Post #2): "Little League is all about soccer moms and feel-good outcomes and politics. Pony is about baseball as a pastime, not a sport.... Pony has real baseball rules like leading off, pick-offs."
Plaz (Post #3): "Pony ... at age 9 -10 they get to lead off."
sleek1 (Post #4): "the differences between LL and pony don't get significant until Mustang minor @ age 9 (lead offs, balks, etc.)."
Steven Ellis (Post # 5): "Nice point, sleek1."
sterrell (Post #6): "Pony is a much more interesting and fun game due to the lead offs, balks etc."
AGDAD (Post # 7): "My son is 9 and plays little league for the experience of being with his friends and community. He played winter ball Pony this year and it absolutely blew Little League out of the water."[/b]
There you have it. Six (6) consecutive posts (# 2 - # 7) bashing Little League. It was not until Post # 8 that "pblittleleague" commented in defense of Little League.
I later in the thread jumped in to agree with "pblittleleague" and to point out the additional FACT that during the 12-and-under years Little League has generally LONGER pitching distances. As this is a pitching forum, I thought that was an important fact. And it is, except no one wanted to hear it. They wanted to continue bashing Little League for not allowing leading off without any consideration of the merits of Little League's greater pitching distances. I called this "disingenuous", because it is, and I stand by it.
As I wrote then:
"There is nothing wrong with the shorter pitching distances that Pony League provides relative to the longer Little League pitching distances. However, it is disingenuous for some Pony League fans to come on here and knock Little League as being 'not real baseball' simply because it does not allow runners to 'lead off', when Little League has the longer pitching distances for most of the 12-and-under years and at least in that regard is closer to 'real baseball' than Pony League."
I stand by that.
By the way, next time there is a bash-Little League thread, perhaps it should be clearly marked "Little Leaguers Not Welcome". That way I'll know better than to participate.