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dm59 Administrator

Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 2022
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Posted: Feb 05, 2010 Post subject: Re: Potential shoulder problems |
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| ... he lifts his lead elbow way too high. This jams his left arm into the shoulder socket and frays the rotator cuff. |
Are there any stats that support this? How many rotator cuff injuries happen to the glove side?
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| When their stride leg is coming down they sit their butt back.... |
May I suggest that the functional element here is not so much the "sit" but "leading with the hip" and the generation of momentum toward the plate. If we check out those clips, it is evident that the centre of gravity is moving toward the plate during this period. |
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tonyjh34 Minor League

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laflippin Superstar

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Posted: Feb 05, 2010 Post subject: |
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Like dm, I tend to think about this as 'leading with the hip".
With reference to the mound, I think most people tend to think of the direction toward home plate as being "forward" and the direction away from the plate (i.e., toward 2nd base) as "back".
So, just as a gut reaction..."sitting the butt back" just sounds kind of wrong, even though you clearly don't mean "back towards 2nd base".
For an RHP you're really talking about "sitting your butt toward 1st base" while moving toward the plate, right? For an LHP it would be, "sitting your butt toward 3rd base". |
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tonyjh34 Minor League

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i never said back toward 2nd base, I understand your point though. Its not that complicated, its similar to the form you take when doing squats or when told to get in an athletic stance (balanced with butt back, slight flex in the knees and chest over knees)
You can lead with your hip while striding in an athletic stance, for me it happens naturally rather than consciously trying to make it happen. Last thing I want to be doing while I'm on the mound is being Obsessed with what steps I have to do each time during my delivery.
The Simpler the Better, some things are not as complicated as people make them. |
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laflippin Superstar

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re: "Last thing I want to be doing while I'm on the mound is being Obsessed with what steps I have to do each time during my delivery. "
------Agree 100% with you. All of the mechanics cues discussed on LTP are really for coaches/pitchers to use for creating effective reps in practice so that an optimized pitching delivery will be unconscious by the time it gets to the mound in games. |
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Coach Baker Administrator

Joined: 25 Jun 2007 Posts: 1531 Location: Springfield, MA
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Your son seems to have an excellent foundation for growing into the kind of athletic performer that will compliment more muscle, balance, aggressive approaches to this position (pitcher) and a host of other things that come with age and maturity.
Ten years of age offers a youngster a great opportunity to learn this sport - not a game, but a sport. The fundamentals of why and what-for, along with style(s) and motion that will accommodate a bigger, stronger, and even in some cases a huskier frame. In that regard, what you boy is doing now - per your video, can be completely altered by his physical attributes at - say, age fifteen, then during the physical maturity age of around eighteen to twenty, you could be looking at a different package all together.
The suggestion that have been offered thus far are pretty good, and as you can see, opinions based on observations vary. The true tempered advice that you can use - as well as the person who it's intended for, your son, is to acquire the services of a Pitching Coach. A Pitching Coach that IS a pitching coach - but not right now.
Why not now?
At ten years of age, you son will experience a learning curve that's best supported by just having a heck of good time with his dad and a local home town club. With what I see here, he should acquire a good following and still enjoy himself without the " ok, let's see how you did", during the ride home in dad's station wagon. Instead, a stop-off at the local soft-serve ice cream stand, a soda and "I'm really proud of you son", goes light years ahead of any game critique.
I would suggest letting him use what he has for now, let him groom himself with a learning phase that he himself thinks about - not you, and every once and a while ask him .... " so, what do ya think?" Let your son ask questions and the wanting of more coaching.
Overall though, for ten, he looks pretty darn good. I would suggest he slow things down just a bit and let his body feel the motions that he now has - even if during game time he gets hit a lot. At ten, this "getting hit" shouldn't be a big deal - after all, he's undergoing a learning curve that'll serve him well in the next phase of his baseball experience.
And by the way, whatever coaching, instruction or advice that your son receives will be altered dramatically during game game time due to the field conditions that your son will be playing off of. So, like I mentioned above, give your son some slack when observing and taking notes of your son's performance and progress.
Coach B. _________________ Sometimes you just have to take the bull by the tail and face the situation.
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hydejing College

Joined: 21 Jan 2010 Posts: 106 Location: Melbourne
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thanks laflippin
i did give some advice to my friends, and they all stay with their arm healthy now
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to PItching master
he did not left the elbow way to high
during his arm swing, his elbow is always below shouder level
Look at tonyjh34's GIF, ryan, clemens, rivera , three of them their elbow is also lower than shouder before the ball come up near behind the head
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Coach B may be out of topic but good advice _________________ Inverted v is a problem, you know that ? |
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laflippin Superstar

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Sure thing, hydejing...say, did you ever remember to write to Aaron Harang, c/o the Cinncinnati Reds, to help him correct his horrible mechanics? Now that you know the difference between 'post leg' and 'stride leg', I'm sure he will be glad to listen carefully to your advice.  |
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hydejing College

Joined: 21 Jan 2010 Posts: 106 Location: Melbourne
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i will write to reds later _________________ Inverted v is a problem, you know that ? |
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Coach Baker Administrator

Joined: 25 Jun 2007 Posts: 1531 Location: Springfield, MA
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hydejing.... you asked...
My son practiced pitching for the first time after shutting it down all winter. He just turned 10 earlier this month (he's always been a hard thrower for his age).
Steven, laflippin, tonyjh34, dm59 and pitchmaster offered various observations and suggestions that were very good food for thought, in addition to referencing future fact-finding.
I followed those that commented with... what your boy is doing now - per your video, can be completely altered by his physical attributes at - say, age fifteen, then during the physical maturity age of around eighteen to twenty, you could be looking at a different package all together...
In addition, I commented ... is to acquire the services of a Pitching Coach. A Pitching Coach that IS a pitching coach - but not right now.
Why?
Because ... Overall though, for ten, he looks pretty darn good. I would suggest he slow things down just a bit and let his body feel the motions that he now has - even if during game time he gets hit a lot. At ten, this "getting hit" shouldn't be a big deal - after all, he's undergoing a learning curve that'll serve him well in the next phase of his baseball experience.
So, adding value to the others that offered you .. "do this' ... do that", I suggested....
I would suggest letting him use what he has for now, let him groom himself with a learning phase that he himself thinks about - not you, and every once and a while ask him .... " so, what do ya think?" Let your son ask questions and the wanting of more coaching....
Perhaps you were looking for more .."do this.. do that", but, ... off topic, no.
I've had parents ask me to evaluate their ten (10) year old, coach them, show the youngster a few things, and over the years I've found that a youngster starts to have the what-forever, attention span, strength and comprehension for pitching .. and the results that follow consistently starting at age 14-15. There are exceptions of course, but not knowing your son's situation, I suggested what would seem practical.
I sincerely wish you and your youngster all the best with your baseball experience.
Coach B. _________________ Sometimes you just have to take the bull by the tail and face the situation.
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